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Meta threads will open federation to the fediverse soon, and while this is mainly to mastodon it will still affect lemmy. They are acting like they won't be evil, but let's be real this is Facebook when have they ever done that.

This article which has been trending lately explains some of the issues. https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

This comment here is a simple analogy if you can't be bothered reading the article. https://lemmy.ca/comment/5702922

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 8 months ago

Meta is a cancer, there is no benefit to the company being given any access to this instance.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 8 months ago (10 children)

There is nothing to gain from interaction with Meta/Threads

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago

Meta don't deserve any chances, I'm here to get away from that toxic bull and would much prefer it to be blocked from any instance I interact with.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Here's my not-at-all-qualified take:

Let the federation ride. If Threads users add meaningful content and activity, then cool.

But the second we see a Meta ad, pull that fucking plug. We should not be distributing their ads for free (or at all).

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah but you might have it in reverse. Meta would benefit from lemmy users providing original content. It would basically suck the life out of the smaller instances and people would have no incentive to stick with apps or instances made by the little guys. If Meta started serving ads and we pulled out, it wouldn't mean much. By then, Meta might have adopted most users - all the while stealing our content.

^ Super hypothetical. I'm not a federation expert. But it sounds like that could happen.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't think lemmy and mastodon are big enough for meta to care about stealing our content.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

I think you'd be surprised at how few people make OC for the internet and how those brains operate. I know I'm not porting my content bot over to threads anytime soon. He's very happy on mastodon and writes frequently.

[–] andrew_bidlaw 9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Let us have all users from Lemmy, Kbin, Mastodon and probably Tumblr, and none from Meta. Is it so damaging to exclude them? With them comes the Meta fuckery, them dictating rules. It's better without them.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago

When I last looked at the defederations of some Mastodon servers, everyone was already blocking Threads. This was a year ago. Instances running Lemmy and Kbin and like should probably do the same.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

For completeness there was a discussion (outdated) a few months back on this for anyone interested: https://aussie.zone/post/401165

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

I'll be blocking it the first time it shows up on my feed anyway.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Fully agreed, anyone who doesn't either works for Meta or can't see the writing on the wall about what this will do to the fediverse.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

I presume this will be the case, but don’t think there’s been any official announcement yet. The majority of current servers have planned to resist by defederating.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, as much as I like Lemmy. It's kind of stuck in a catch-22 situation.

The bigger it grows the more likely it is to be destroyed by "bad actors"

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Imo it depends on how it grows, especially how much decentralization it can preserve.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Instances like Lemmy.world and lemmy.ml are a big threat to decentralisation, however threads would be at a whole new level

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

So this means I'll be seeing what people post on threads in my lemmy app?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't quite understand, would it be harder to defederate later, once they start becoming evil? Lemmy and Mastodon were founded to actively distance ourselves from the likes of Twitter and Reddit. We're not here because it's the only option we have or because we're creating a whole new system. We're here because we chose to and decide that we could live without relying on those big corporations. Surely, people here are more willing to give Meta the middle finger and wouldn't mind blocking Threads if that ever happened right?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (4 children)

This seems like a very important discussion but let me tell you how I came across it. It's possible many others on Aussie Zone fall into a similar boat as mine. If not please ignore.

I only use Voyager to interact with Lemmy regularly. Occasionally I check out Aussie Zone via a browser but that's very rare.

I think the 'Default feed' for Voyager is 'Home' which are the coms I've subbed to. I didn't even know what 'Local' was until I looked it up just now (while trying to find out if Voyager can list all the coms of an instance like the coms page in a desktop browser, which I don't think it does).

So I was surprised not to see this discussion earlier after seeing it pop up more broadly across the lemmyverse. Turns out that's because I never selected the Local feed to see what everyone is talking about and because I wasn't subbed to Meta (as in the Aussie Zone com, not the company) until now.

If my ignorance is unusual for Aussie Zone folk then please ignore this comment. If it's possible that lots of other active or semi-active local users are not seeing this discussion is there any way to highlight it across the instance?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

I've cross posted to Australia, locked and pinned which should get some attention from other users in your boat

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

it can get pinned by an admin, but i dont think thats nessarcery . you should subscribe to [email protected] if you want to see posts about the instance itself.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

~~This is how I think about this.~~

Edit - this is what comes to mind when I think about this

Image of Lucy from Peanuts teeing up an American football for Charlie Brown to attempt a place kick

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I posted this link in a reply but I'll put it here just incase. According to this part of the threads TOS by interacting with a threads user they will collect your data and send targeted ads.

https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/111585528118111249

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

How are they going to send targeted ads when not using their platform?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

They could masquerade them as posts or embed them in posts. They would be able to track your IP address through the images they serve - kind of like email

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Forgive my newbness, but is it up to instance owners to defederate? Or individual users? I don’t really know how it works.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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