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They are two separate projects with similar goals (implement a Reddit clone). They both use the activitypub protocol, so they can generally interoperate. Other activitypub based services, such as mastodon, can also interact with either Lemmy or kbin, but in a more limited and clunkier way.
Lemmy was started first so there are more servers and more users, kbin is more recent.
A good visualization of this can be found on FediDB. Active users on kbin has recently surpassed those on Lemmy.
That's a huge jump on the 13th, I wonder what happened...
Lemmy had login issues
It’s very obvious a bug. They did not almost double their active users in a day.
So are they in direct competition? Or are we able to see what each other is posting?
We can see the posts on both platforms (except for the case of de-federation).
Competition is an odd topic for open source software. For example, whilst mastodon, kbin and lemmy are all competing for attention, they are collectively making the activitypub ecosystem more attractive.
A similar thing happens with linux: Oracle, red hat, canonical etc all compete for market share, but pay for developers to work on the wider linux ecosystem (the kernel as well as GNOME and other apps etc)
They interoperate, so a Kbin user can see everything on Lemmy and vice versa.
They are two disparate software that both work on the ActivityPub platform.
Lemmy is a thread aggregator(like reddit) only, where kbin does thread aggregation and microblogging(Like Mastodon).
Both software federates with others, so you can see lemmy communities on kbin, and you can see kbin magazines on lemmy.
So will posts in a kbin magazine also appear on the lemmy front page? Or do I have to specifically seek them out and subscribe to them for them to appear in my subscribed feed?
If your instance already discovered then, then they should be available in all feed. If you subscribed to them, then they should also be in subscribed feed.
So will posts in a kbin magazine also appear on the lemmy front page?
Yes, and visa-versa
After reading these comments since I also wanted to know the differences, I have determined I am still "technologically challenged". I basically understood the punctuation.
You know you are old when you think there should be something like a "Technology and Federation for Dummies"!!
Let's say the fediverse is texting, Lemmy is Android, and kbin is iOS. They can text each other, despite being made by different companies.
They're what is called federated. They use the same protocols which allow each to see the other. The best comparison I've heard to describe it is like how you can read emails irrespective if someone used Google Mail, Yahoo Mail, or Microsoft Outlook, or whatever email sending software.
Do you mean that their API's are similar or the same? That's why they can interconnect?
Not APIs, they use the same communication protocol. Like email does, or like websevers do with HTTP (HyperText Transport Protocol).
Simply put, the difference between a protocol and an API are that a protocol is how you communicate, while an API is a way for software to not just communicate with a server but get it to do things as if the software were a human using different, less efficient means.
Let's take pre-Elon Twitter for example: Twitter's API allowed automated programs to tweet things without simulating a browser, "clicking" on "new tweet", putting text in the text box and then "clicking" on "send". Instead they could directly send the text and identification info to a part of Twitter's API. This communication with the API happened through a protocol, most likely HTTP/HTTPS, because protocols have in-built ways to handle communication failures, encryption, etc.
They are both built on the ActivityPub protocol which allows them to connect with each other.
There is a standard for sharing tweet style information and for threaded type information between websites.
You have software which implements the tweet standard (Mastodon), the threaded standard (lemmy) and both (KBin).
You'll notice some communities will be [email protected] or [email protected], etc.. this indicates they are not local to the website your using and those addresses are KBin instances, its just your website has a copy of the information.
KBin is newer than Lemmy, it has a fairly simple responsive design that works well on mobile. Lemmy has a REST api so its easier to build mobile applications, a lot of people seem to expect/need to access websites via mobile applications.
The key difference is Lemmy is developed by Tankies, they think China's genocide of Ughurs is justified and they administer lemmy.ml.
It's also worth considering that kbin currently has around 600 stars on GitHub, Lemmy has 11k. Kbin is written in PHP, Lemmy in Rust. PHP is older and more mature as an ecosystem than Rust, but Rust is really popular. I've heard few people say nice things about PHP.
Take from all that what you will, but to me it says kbin will grow more slowly. Also if you use an app to browse you'd hardly know the difference between Lemmy or kbin anyway
Github stars is not a good metric, firstly because KBin is hosted on codeberg but mainly because a healthy project has lots of unique contributors and regular updates/enhancements.
KBin has 79 open Pull Requests, while Lemmy has 29. From a visual check PR's seem to be older than 2 weeks. Its hard to say one is "healthier" than the other, without scraping information into a spreadsheet.
Secondly Rust is new and has a lot of hype surrounding it, as a result you get a lot of people using it on random projects.
Languages have strengths and weaknesses and developer ecosystems build on the strengths.
For example if I was writing a web application with a database backend I would choose C#, Java or Node.js because there are loads of libraries, tools and frameworks to make it really easy.
Rust is gaining a lot of adoption by embedded system users (replacing C mostly). Lemmy is the only Rust based web server project I am aware of. Which means the level of work to do anything and to keep it updated falls on the Lemmy devs rather than spread out amongst a larger community.
Everyone loves to insult PHP but it has a niche in webservers and won't disappear anytime soon. KBin effort will thus be spent on KBin.
I'm not sure how Development language is relevant here...but I hated PHP.
It's relevant in open source because folks like you who are proficient in PHP are less likely to contribute to the project because it's just not fun for you to work in that language.
PHP also seems to be really unpopular in general. I'm not insulting it as I've never used it but no one that has seems to have many nice things to say about it in my experience
PHP has a lot of rough edges and somewhat archaic paradigms (OOP), and thus not liked by many, especially those who got used to more modern languages and its features.
Also PHP lacked type safety for a long time, which is almost only disliked by young inexperienced programmers, who think typing int instead of var is scary because their teacher said so.
Is OOP considered archaic now? What is a more preferable paradigm nowadays?
Pure OOP is now archaic, but the principles are still used. More modern OOP languages incorporate functional programming concepts and are more of a hybrid. C# is probably the best example of a language with strong OOP and good functional support. Java is also heading that way slowly.
Functional programming is gaining steam again, but in its pure form, it's not as useful in many domains. A hybrid approach of take all the best ideas and use whatever fits best with the problem at hand is going to become the next paradigm, but I don't think it has a name.
"Pure paradigm" programming languages are really just toys for research and experimentation, IMO. I remember taking various courses on these sorts of things and, for example, the OOP prof would say "one of the cool things about pure OOP is that there are no loops or if statements. Now, here's how you go about faking a loop or if statement using pure OOP, because it turns out you really need that to accomplish anything."
In the real world you'll want to use whatever works best, which often means a language that contains a bunch of features from different paradigms merged together. Ideally in a rational and well-structured manner, but given how much usage Python gets that's clearly not a fundamental requirement.
You also have to balance the ability to get shit done makes a language more widely used, see perl. Eventually things also need to get modified, so languages that are easy to follow become popular, see perl losing popularity.
Is there an app for kbin? I've been using Jerboa for lemmy and like it. Browsers and web pages don't feel right on mobile. But I do like the idea of kbin being connected with mastodon.
I’m using Memmy. How can I see and subscribe to kbin content?
Tap the blue globe icon at the top right and make sure “All” is selected.
If I can piggyback with a question: Does anyone know how "Read" status for posts is stored and accessible on both softwares? I know that it's stored and it would be cool if it was private, but I'm guessing it can be collected and used.
This information exists wherever your account exists. It's nonfederated data, similar to things like your email address, hashed password, and 2FA master key. No other instance has any need to know what notifications you've viewed, so they are never made privy to that information.
To clarify: federation is not like P2P where everyone gets a copy of everything. Federation only shares exactly what needs to be shared for the software to function. In the case of Lemmy, this boils down to the following data:
Some of you may be raising eyebrows at this list. Does this mean that anyone can see your votes & PMs at any time? No, not exactly. There's two big things to keep in mind here:
At worst, here's what information can be captured by a random bad actor running their own evil instance:
The majority of this information is already publicly searchable on your home instance's website. Pretty much all of the scary stuff requires you to actually directly interact with the bad guy's instance. If you're about to vote or follow something sketchy, consider double-checking who runs the instance before you attach your name to it (that's what the rainbow link is for).
Thank you so much for the detailed answer
It’s basically a modern version of how Usenet works:
https://www.harley.com/usenet/usenet-tutorial/how-does-usenet-work.html