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[–] [email protected] 89 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Both sides ARE bad. The trick is to use critical thinking and realize that one side is "stupid and misguided" bad and the other is "literal nazi, genocide against minorities, and also very stupid" bad.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 11 months ago (9 children)

Both sides are currently supporting genocide right now.

You might want to fix that.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 11 months ago (6 children)

“The son of YOUR president took a single bribe and showed his ding dong on the internet, my president rapes women, lies about his finances, commits fraud and incites an insurrection! See both side are bad!”

[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Both sides are bad the same way that day-past-expiration milk and arsenic are both yucky

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Great way of putting it. Also, your username made me almost spit out my coffee lmao

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

You probably should spit it out. I heard the creamer was expired.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Such exquisite fartistry!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

And some of us just really want fresh healthy food. At least some of us will eat the day old food, but won’t be happy about that being the best choice. But because of polarization and group think, we’re just lumped in with the nazis. The internet is fun.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (8 children)

I find it interesting that the hamas Israel conflict has become such a political issue. Support of Israel in general, yeah religiously charged. But Hamas did start the attack and do a ton of fucked up stuff. SO many hostages including Americans. Israel is an oppressive government and from a distance seems systemically racist not just overly defensive. I just feel like this is a more nuanced issue

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[–] Stez827 40 points 11 months ago

Both are bad though one is worse but both are shit

[–] [email protected] 39 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Both sides are bad. Yes, one is considerably worse than the other, but that doesn't make the alternative good, it just makes it better.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Propagandistic bullshit.

Saying you can't say "both sides suck" means we're stuck with only two and must pick one.

Two is not the only option.

But it's difficult to mobilize the bread eaters as they watch the circus.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (6 children)

sort of

But I do think there is a legitimate ACAB angle here, to slice it by power dynamics instead: All political leaders are bastards.

It's not just one nation vs another, it's also civilians vs the political elite. So while I agree it's wrong to say "both sides are equally to blame", there are other useful perspectives. I think.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (3 children)

For me at least, it's more of "conservatives are crazy, conspiracy-led, bigots but liberals are annoying." and this of course only applies to the most outspoken of both sides.

I know plenty of people who vote republican, that are decent people (not antivax, not racist, not homophobic), but are either religious or gun nuts. Hell, I have a coworker that agrees with 95% of democratic policies but will never vote for them because they'll "take his guns." Do I think they're dumb, sure. Do I think they're evil, no?

Liberals I see like vegans. The core messaging is right, but the preachier you get, the more people are going to dislike you, even if they agree with you on principle. Even though I've voted democrat in every election, I couldn't help but roll my eyes when someone told me I should stop using the word "marijuana" because it's racist.

I don't really want to hang out with qanon, racist types or people where I have to be careful of saying "mailman" instead of "mail carrier". Obviously if I had to choose, it'd be the latter, but I don't have to choose because 80% of people aren't that politically motivated every second of their day.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I think the amount of annoying anal liberals such as that is overblown. And whenever I do see that, I see other leftists calling their shit out.

What's really "both sides" is the fact that Democrats don't do enough when they have the chances too, because really the majority opinion of the Democrats is way farther right then people in the US like to admit.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I have a coworker that agrees with 95% of democratic policies but will never vote for them because they'll "take his guns."

Did he not hear trump say he likes to take the guns first and worry about the law later? Did he not hear trump say China was too soft in Tiananmen Square?

The Democrats are coming for the guns... but so is trump.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

You're giving these guys too much credit. They don't follow the news or read anything, ever. This is the same coworker who, when a hasidic Jewish person walked into our shop, said "I thought Amish couldn't work with electricity" and was 100% genuine.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What alternative is there to getting preachier? I don’t get in people’s faces, but I understand why people do it. For years, they’ve lightly suggested perhaps making things not terrible, and it’s let the far right get away with heinous shit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Depends on context. If someone is saying "wow I hate all gays and hope they're put in extermination camps" then sure I'd speak up and tell them they're a piece of shit. If someone says "I think gays should have equal rights but personally I think it's wrong" then I'd shrug it off. I think there's a line between outright hatred and ignorance/cultural/religious-norms that people ignore too much. Qanon type people are too far gone, but the others I think could change, and immediately shutting them down as racists or homophobes doesn't help sway them.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Both sides have always been bad?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can't we start a 'We all suck' movement. There are shitty people of all races, genders, ethnicities, religions, or whatever. Once we all embrace that we can all evolve and work against them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Good luck, when people have a literal moral superiority complex most of their lives.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (7 children)

This is an ancient opinion. People have been complaining about America's two party system for literal centuries.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Can't we just vote in someone completely new for once.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We actually did that recently. His name was Donald Trump.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Show me any decision of consequence in life that doesn’t have a downside. There are no perfect choices, just less bad ones. And in the 2024 US election there’s one choice that’s a lot worse than the other.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Both sides are bad, but one is absolutely evil.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

I get why people want to choose the smaller evil but sometimes it's necessary to point out all evils and head towards a stateless society.

But maybe that's the difference between "both sides bad" and "two sides bad"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

The way I see it in the face of climate change disaster literally neither side is going to save us. That is the most important thing to me right now.

It's already too late, but it's even later to reduce the impact.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Both sides is older than any of us. Enlightened centrism is a plague on intelligence

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[–] JohnDClay 3 points 11 months ago (7 children)

I've found people on here actually arguing that hamas is unambiguously right in their actions. Unlike black lives matter where saying white lives don't matter is a complete straw man that no one was arguing. So making sure people are on the same page about Hamas I think is valuable still.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

To your point, I would contend every year in every two party system in existence has always been a "both sides bad" year ;p

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