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Those people also think the bible was written by god.
Isn't that the Torah? The Bible was composed by a council using selected books from the Torah and various writings from the apostles.
The majority of Christians in the USA think that the Bible is the complete and inerrant word of God, as written by divinely inspired humans. Just Google up the mission statement for a local mega-church and I'll bet 50DKP it says something to that effect on their About Us page.
Oh, the US. In my country all those crazy denominations were just called "sects," and considered heresy.
Edit: but don't they read the Bible? It says in there who wrote what.
Many, many self-proclaimed Christians in the United States have, at best, cursory Biblical knowledge. Insofar as reading, they may have opened the book in their lives. That does NOT equate to critical analysis, or even perfunctory understanding the contents in even a general sense.
If this a Poe? I can't tell. In case it's not...
The gospels were not written by the people with their names on them. Part of the problem of just reading the Bible is that it's incredibly inaccurate. It's authorship is up to a lot of debate.
I'm just saying that if someone claims the Bible has been written by God Himself then they must not have even looked inside, because the Bible itself assigns clear authorship to each book. I'm not talking about historical accuracy here.
Most of them don't know anything veggie tales didn't tell them.
Are you from Eastern Europe, by any chance?
Us people of the ex-USSR have a habit of calling evangelicals and other fanatics "sectarians".
Not ex-USSR, but yes
Edit: in my country when I was growing up, the common perspective was simple: there are two main religions - Christian Orthodox and Catholic. All other Christian denominations were "sectarians". Non-Christian religions were not even considered, those were "pagans".
I was born in Tatarstan. For us, the division was Christian or Muslim. "Christian" was assumed to be Orthodox, but Catholics were considered to just be a kinda weird foreign flavour of Christianity. Pretty much everyone else made their presence known by proselytizing, and thus earned the title of sectarian for being a crazy evangelist (a chill immigrant who happens to be a Buddhist or Anglican doesn't really talk much about their religion, so thus the only small religions you notice are the ones headed by people who don't mind their own business).
How could it be anything else than divinely inspired humans for believers? That seems to be a core belief of every book religion.
The crazier part is that Abraham almost certainly didn't exist, so people made up a guy who starts hearing voices, tries to kill his kid, and then starts cutting off the tip of their dicks.
The more interesting part of the patriarch period in the Bible is how it is poorly masking the matriarchal tradition underneath though, from Abraham's wife's name change (from 'chief' to 'princess') and being the first gebirah ("great lady") to the way her son Isaac's blessing on his sons is the only place the male form of gebirah is found in the Bible, in a blessing that the recipient's "mother's sons" bow down to them (pretty odd for a patriarchal blessing).
But the more fun prophet story is the one of the guy who can suddenly talk to God after discovering a burning bush and subsequently creates a double layered tent in which he continues to talk to God and everyone knows that's happening because a cloud of smoke appears. Not only is the anointing oneself and going into a tent how the Scythians hotboxed cannabis in Herodotus, but as of its discovery in 2020 an 8th century BCE Judahite temple's holiest of holies is the earliest archeological evidence of cannabis use in a solely religious context.
That second guy I can at least get a bit behind. He certainly seemed to know how to party.
That’s not exactly what happened. Circumcision was already a custom, but the rest is spot on.
What do you mean? Do you believe Abraham actually existed? Because according to the Bible God invented MGM with Abraham. And I thought we were talking about what the Bible said and how it was crazy, not whatever a historical Abraham might have actually done.
Not sure what a movie studio has to do with anything, I was just pointing out that circumcision was probably a custom in that area already.
MGM is an acronym of male genital mutilation
What an odd name for a movie studio. No wonder they shortened it.
It used to be Shithouse!
If I were a woman who had undergone FGM I would slap the shit out of any man referring to a circumcision in this manner. It's just so detached from reality and insulting.
You think that 'circumcision' is not genital mutilation?
Correct.
Well what is it then? I suppose you're also disregarding that fact that type 1 and 2 FGM (the most common kinds) remove an equivalent amount to MGM. I am not trying to minimise the experience of FGM survivors, but it is ludicrous to say that cutting off parts of the male genitalia is not male genital mutilation, just as it is female genital mutilation if it's done to females.
FGM is not typically done electively and offers no benefit to women. It's something done to them for the sake of men or as a punishment.
Male circumcision is done for religious or health reasons, with the motivation to be for the benefit of the male it's being done to.
You seem to assume that all men are happy with having MGM done to them, but that is not the case. Many men suffer from physical and psychological problems as a result of MGM, such as loss of sensitivity, pain, infection, scarring, and trauma. Many men regret (if that's even the right word, seeing as they didn't have the choice) having MGM and wish they could restore their foreskins.
The claim that there are health benefits to MGM is not supported by scientific evidence. The World Health Organization states that there is no convincing evidence that MGM reduces the risk of HIV, urinary tract infections, penile cancer, or other diseases. In fact, MGM may increase the risk of some infections and complications. Even if there were slight health benefits, they would not outweigh the harms and risks of MGM, and they would not justify performing MGM without the person’s consent.
You also seem to have a double standard when it comes to FGM and MGM. You acknowledge that FGM is wrong, but you defend MGM. Some defend it as a matter of tradition or religion, although that is not your overt argument. However, tradition or religion are not valid reasons to harm another person’s body without their consent, especially as religions both advocate FGM and MGM, there is no double standard there. Both FGM and MGM violate a person's autonomy and rights. They should both be banned and condemned as human rights violations.
I hope you will reconsider your views on this issue and respect the rights of all people to have control over their own bodies.
(and I know you will be able to tell that AI was used in writing this, all I used it for was mellowing down my language, the points are mine.)
I think "many" is an exaggeration.
And your WHO reference is actually factually incorrect. The truth is they say it is beneficial.
Would you mind answering any other questions posed to you? Seems very disingenuous to dismiss the whole argument based on "vibes" and the fact that circumcision has shown (in a whole 2 studies) to be effective against the contraction of HIV
Why bother? You've made up your mind. I've made up mine. I've literally never met anyone with your opinions besides the internet.
You don't know anything about me, I've not made up my mind on anything. I think your position on this topic is unique and would truly appreciate further insights, because I've never met anyone with your opinion besides the internet.
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You'll have to specify the location and year you think this all took place in.
Not really.
Circumcision randomly starts in many places. None of them related to hygiene.
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Another dude climbed a mountain and reappeared a month later with a rock and yelled at people having a good time around a golden statue of an animal, pointing at how his rock is better.
Egypt man known for talking with a bush found guilty of theft of multiple tablets and destruction of community funded livestock statue.
Genesis 22 is a great story.
It might speak to an older rites of passage for boys to become men among pre-Iseralites of Cannan.
"Here I am." ... is also an astounding way to respond back to a god. And 22 is neat because it uses both ELOHIM and YHWH but the change is mid story. It links to perhaps two stories pushed into one.
Really don't be such a party pooper. The Jewish take on this so I'm told is that their god requires obedience and a sense of duty. The Xian one sees it as an fact of blind faith in their Lord. Islam even has dibs on this story. So I took time to find why it is meaningful. And learn to address that meaning instead of the story.
All these religious nutties are more interesting when you can offer them more about their texts than they can.
There is a Greek story where one god wants someone to sacrifice their son and another god intervenes. In that story God is a lot less schizo than in the ot. It could simply be lifted from there.
You got some interesting comments there. I'll add that child sacrifice seemed endemic to Canaanite society (archaeologists Found evidence to back up Roman claims in Carthage), and this story seems more about how we do NOT sacrifice children anymore.
Also, the whole sacrificial system seems to have something to do with reciprocity, so you tell me who is more fucked up: Abraham, or 8 billion people acting like they can rape the planet without any consideration for evening the balance.
... as for chopping off your penis's toque: don't know why you'd do that.
Abe's got a sick kukri there.
Assuming the illustrator was attempting some degree of historical accuracy, it's more likely Greek Kopis.
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