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More than 3,000 auto dealers sign letter opposing Biden's electric vehicle mandate
(www.foxbusiness.com)
this post was submitted on 28 Nov 2023
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I do not like the government trying to force them on people
Road vehicles make up a not so insignificant ~25% of all emissions. Reducing that as quickly as possible is necessary because we are out of time to transition. The free market has failed to make that transition so government needs to step in to prevent a wider disaster.
Walkable cities and robust public transit are god tier, far better than EVs. But where cars are unavoidable they should be electric to reduce impact.
Government's role is to prevent disaster. This is part of it.
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The earth has warmed and cooled many times over the billions of years we’ve been around.
Who's "we"? The human species is somewhere around 200,000 years old.
I was a kid when Mt. Pinatubo put so much ash and CO2 into the air that it changed the weather in Minnesota, where I was growing up. Human CO2 emissions are 100 times what that eruption emitted - per year.
We are not out of time.
If we don't fix our shit now, we are going to sail past the 2.5° mark. That is going to risk a food chain collapse, which would be a mass extinction level event. And that's only one of many of the disastrous effects.
It’s debatable if it’s even man made.
It isn't. There are few sciences as close in agreement as climate science. The overwhelming consensus (97%) within the scientific community is that it is happening, and that it is man made.
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
When I was a kid, we were predicted to freeze to death by now.
Not really.
"Some press reports in the 1970s speculated about continued cooling; these did not accurately reflect the scientific literature of the time, which was generally more concerned with warming from an enhanced greenhouse effect."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling
And here's the thing about science, it gets more and more accurate year over year. So saying "they were wrong back then", even if that wasn't already outright inaccurate, it still misses the point. That point being that there is mountains of evidence showing that climate change is happening, and it is human caused.
Do you know how many climate tracking satellites we had in the 70s? The answer was basically zero, and nowhere near the tech of today's it's crazy what half a century of technological advancement can do.
We need to remove all the money to see get an unbiased view of what’s causing the issue. Right now we have to much money thrown at its man made to get an unbiased opinion.
That's not how science or the peer review process works. The scientific method takes money to be able to experiment. Do you think climate monitoring satellites are just free?
I’m not certain moving to electric will belay it any way and I drive an electric car.
Any given person's contribution is a drop in the bucket. But that's not the point of transitioning. When people transition to better options en mass, it then has an effect.
Like I said, road vehicles account for ~25% of emissions. EVs aren't carbon neutral by any means, but they are comparatively much better in terms of greenhouse gas emissions.
Imo the government shouldn't be pushing any type of car over another. The government can rightly fuck off what people drive
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Much like they left trains alone, and let the market decide, yeah?
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You are aware that General Motors gobbled up a lot of the public transportation railway systems in the USA and scrapped them in favour of the fancy new accessible automobiles, yes? This took place between 1920 and 1950. THEN the government installed the interstate superhighway systems. More for the automobile.
I have said nothing for or against electric vehicles in my comment above, please don’t derail the conversation.
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That’s news to me, have a source for it?
Trollies and light rail systems are public transportation railways. The governments (state or otherwise) prevented other people from creating new rail systems. You can’t just decide to build a train system without approvals.
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I learned something new today!
Anyways my whole point was, the government hardly ever “lets the market decide”. It always exerts pressure on the economy whether directly or indirectly. And it is nothing new.
It’s hard to gouge your customers in the name of “service” when the number of moving parts on the vehicle are drastically reduced. Hardly surprising that they’d rail against something that cuts into their profits.
Running out of foil for that hat?
It’s not a conspiracy.
More moving parts = more service = more money. Less moving parts = less service = less money.
Care to be an ass about anything else?
So? You're still peddling utterly baseless conspiracies. The only ass here is you
Everything I said is logical and an easy conclusion to come to if you know anything about vehicles.
Come up with a counter argument instead of slinging insults. This is why nobody takes conservatives seriously. Grow a wrinkle and get back to me.
Just saying your conclusions are logical doesn't make them so
I’ve already shown you, broken down quite nicely for even the smoothest of brains to understand.
I’m not sure why I’m engaging with you at all, however; you don’t engage in good faith regardless of what I write.
I could splash you in the face with water and tell you you’re wet, and you’d still call me a liar.
You seriously need to grow the fuck up.
Warning: Rule 3, Bad Faith Comment
You immediately jumped to accusing them of being conspiratorial without asking them to explain their reasoning.
He made his argument perfectly clear. I don't know why I'm not allowed to criticize it
EVs have gotten much better. Problem is that new cars as a whole have gotten much worse.
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Can you please elaborate?
Battery life and recharge times mainly.
But the fucking screens and driver assists, it's like you're driving a computer and appliance, not a car.
What's strange is I thought I had that in my original comment. This stuff keeps coming up. A dropped word here or there, sometimes an entire sentence is gone. I guess I need to be more careful.
Yeah all the new tech in vehicles is neat, but it’s also just more points of failure/something to repair. I wholeheartedly agree with all your points.