Premier League

hope they aren't playing my team, my teams in the championship and would get hammered. Although we have won the premier league

Weve all forgotten chelsea

Longevity matters. Southampton, Everton, Leicester we’re once in these position but look where they are now. Leicester were the closest in breaking the “big 6” they have the highest social media following outside of the big 6 due to their recent success. If Villa and Newcastle would have be consistently top 4-6 for it be become anything but a big 6. If they ever finished below 6th then yet no longer get taken seriously.

You need to include in the general rule that they are consistently qualifying for champs league and sometimes push for the title. It’s more about at the start of the season who has a realistic shot of winning or challenging for the title.

Your definitions would include everyone from the premier league. They spend massively compared to any other league. If you look at France and Germany you say there’s 1 or 2 ‘big clubs’ each. Even some of those qualifying for champs league regularly aren’t big clubs compared to the big six.

West ham, Aston Villa, Brighton, etc etc aren’t ‘big clubs’ in the ‘big 6’ sense as they are still ultimately feeders to those higher.

The point of describing a ‘big 6’ can be looked at with the super league. There’s financial reasons why they - and not others - were invited and discussed it.

What will we do with this knowledge?

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Nah, Big 6 was already a stretch (really it's big 5 cuz Spurs haven't won anything).

Brighton are just Brentford but a few years ahead. If anything Brentford have done a lot better than Brighton did when they first came up

West Ham finished like 14th last year, behind 5 other London clubs. Bit of a stretch

The only difference between the big 6 and the other 14 is just how much media attention they get and how likely it is a eandom fan will support them. Finishing position is kind of completely irrelevant.

Give me 100 random fans and I'd pretty 50+ of them will support the "Big 6" clubs

There have been teams in Aston Villa’s and brightons position before it just changes teams every few years. West Ham are difficult to classify cause every few years they collapse

I dont understand the constant need to classify teams, especially when it’s literally half the league. I already find the big 6 pretty stupid, and we’re apparently part of it.

You know nothing of the history of English football if you didn’t already regard Newcastle, Villa, and West Ham as big clubs.

Let's call it the big 20 because whoever is in the EPL is big. Everyone knows them. Big 20.

Having Brighton and west ham being in the same bracket as City and Liverpool is wild

Feels like the prem is 3 leagues within itself, in terms of how much money is thrown around and what that brings;

• Elite Prem - top 6 battling for UCL football
• Top Prem - 10 super clubs battling for top 6
• Mid Prem - the mini league of 5 fighting for a spot in big 10
• Prem 5 clubs fighting for 2 spots to stay in league

“Brighton have no pull factor” oi we have barcelonas number 10 on loan this season

But realistically yeah it’s just a big 6. Newcastle might shove themselves in there (they should given their financial power). Villa, Brighton, Brentford, West Ham etc will all the fall away in the same way Southampton and Wolves did, it’s just football. Maybe not to the degree of dropping out the league or anything but managers come and go and that usually coincides with a stumble.

What makes a team like Brighton or West Ham so much bigger than teams like Wolves, Palace or Forest?

The whole ″big x″ idea is silly and outdated. Just let it die.

Financial supremacy is what really sets the "Big 6" apart from the rest of the league. Their revenue is significantly higher which means they can spend a lot more under FFP. That allows them to keep the majority of their best players/staff and rebound when they go through a rough patch, or spend their way out of trouble, rather than just fading away.

There is a strong argument that having qualified for the Champions League, with other vastly increasing revenue streams and owners with a bottomless pit of money, Newcastle are on track to join them as a 7th financially dominant club.

For Villa, Brighton and West Ham, we are still a long way behind the Big 6 in terms of revenue and therefore spending power. It would take qualifying for the Champions League multiple times and rapid expansion of our global fanbases to close that gap.

MASSIVE recency bias mate…Brighton have played well and been competing with the big clubs for like…two years? You get this every now and then; a small club will put together a good run for a few years but they eventually won’t be able to survive having players and managers snatched up by the actual big clubs. And while clubs like West Ham and Villa definitely have a leg up on most of the rest of the prem, they both have their best players plundered by the big 6 bc they aren’t actually on their level financially. It is time to start calling it the big 7 though. Newcastle has the financials and the results, pretty soon there will be little/no functional difference between them and traditional big 6.

Just look at the revenue and value of sponsorships of the clubs and you will understand why people make the determination.

West Ham are, I think, the closest in revenue to the "big 6", but still £100m short of Arsenal. NUFC are closer in sponsorship values, but still £15m a season short of Spurs.

People get distracted by performances and conflate it with the general standing of the club. There is still a huge gap for clubs to bridge.