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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What is a "class 3"? Is that an American classification?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Its largely by state here in the US, but it is kind of staring to converge on similar guidelines.

In Colorado

Class 1: The electric motor provides assistance only while the rider is pedaling and stops assisting at 20 mph.

Class 2: The electric motor can propel the bike without pedaling, but stops assisting at 20 mph.

Class 3: The electric motor provides assistance only while the rider is pedaling and stops assisting at 28 mph.

All must be less than 750 watts, but it doesn't specify how that is measured. Also, these rules aren't reliably enforced.

My city just has a 20mph limit on urban trails and tolerates ebikes that don't do stupid stuff and ring their bell for peds.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Thanks. How far does it take you to brake down from top speed to standstill?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'll run a test at some point. Definitely faster than a car, but my bike has nice brakes. Not every cheap Chinese budget bike is going to have these brakes.

Also, because my ebike is relatively light/average, there is a "wind wall" at around 20 mph where aerodynamics become more effective than pedaling. Sitting up and stopping pedaling when I've been hunched over pushing hard will quickly bring me back to 15-20 mph. I don't know where this wind wall is on a heavy ebike with fat tires, a heavy rider, and a rack full of luggage.

To the point of braking for pedestrians, on paved trails, I always ring my bell until people acknowledge me in some nonverbal way and I slow down for dogs because they can be startled by fast bikes. I've had many peds thank me for ringing the bell on a trail and I'm convinced if everyone did it, 2/3 of the bike/pedestrian animosity would instantly dry up.

Cars don't care around here. They only see their phones, traffic lights, and the back of the car in front of them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Cars don't care around here.

That's what they say about bikers (especially electrical) here in the pedestrian zone and the sidewalks, too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Odd, may I ask about your approximate geography? My area is very suburban and bikes mix with peds better than cars here because most of our streets are 6 lane roads with 40-55 mph speed limits. (45-70 mph actual speed) If the speed limits were 25-35 mph I would probably ride on the road a lot more.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Central Europe. Most roads in the city are narrow two-lanes, a few main roads have four or even six lanes. Mayor just sacrificed two of the four lanes of one of the main arteries of the city center to bike lanes which are only sparsely used. Extensive pedestrian zone in the city center.

Car speed limits are 35mph in the city, with select roads limiting to 20mph.