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Hey guys. I'm curious about this type of scenario, because I see two ways of approaching it and neither seems like the best way.

Legend for the photo: MUP = multiuse path; SW = sidewalk; BL = bike lane (sharrows, but it turns to a bike lane).

Assuming you were on the MUP going north, and wanted to turn onto the bike lane heading west.

What's the best/safest/legal way to do this?

A. Use the crosswalk (not a crossride, so you'd need to get off your bike and walk) and position yourself on the lane facing west?

B. Turn from the MUP straight into the bike lane on a green? This would mean going across two lanes.

C. Position on the left turn lane of the road, and make the left turn from that lane? Cars turning right don't make this easy or safe.

For context, there is a bus route going south to north, and this particular road has a lot of speeders. What I'd think would be safe, usually isn't.

If this were an intersection with cyclists in mind, it would have a large green box for cyclists to move into to make the turn safely. In that case, I'd think C would be the most ideal. But without that, what's the next best?

I tend to choose A at this particular intersection, but that's nearly gotten me run over by people turning left from the north side.

Thoughts?

EDIT: Thank you for all the input, guys. I will stick with "A" (which is a Copenhagen left turn), and will suggest to my city to add a proper green painted bike box at this intersection for cyclists to safely make these turns.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That cross section layout reminds me of a Tom Scott video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SYeeTvitvFU

2 cyclists dead in 10 years before, but now the one dangerous cross section has reportedly been turned into 2 safer "t-sections" (if that's a thing).

A full explanation as to why accidents happen there, from before the changed cross-section layout, but on a shitty website unfortunately: https://singletrackworld.com/2018/01/collision-course-why-this-type-of-road-junction-will-keep-killing-cyclists/

Edit: unlike the cross section of the op, the Isley cross-section had less traffic and no stoplights, so there was nothing that forced traffic to come to a full stop before crossing, which made the oblique angles that much more dangerous.