I'm an American but studied abroad in Denmark for around 6 months. When I was there, I found out that the Nordic countries have virtually eradicated down syndrome by testing pregnant people for it. 99% choose to abort. How do you guys feel about this?
Personally this is quite disturbing to me. I've known people with down syndrome who live happy, quality lives. Even if it is up to the mother whether or not to abort, when it happens 99% of the time, is it not cultural eugenics? It seems the culture is almost afraid of taking care of a child with down syndrome. Especially in one of the wealthiest countries in the world, where the resources to take care of them are more widely available. If you could test for other things like autism, or even something like extreme depression, would yall do the same thing?
EDIT: I am strongly pro choice and I have talked to many American people on both sides of the political spectrum about this and they unanimously agree with me. On an individual level, I support everyones right to make their own decisions, but when it gets to the population level it becomes more of a cultural issue. There seems to be a cultural agreement that children with down syndrome are too difficult to care for. Does that make it ok to eradicate them? I honestly don't know
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The original was posted on /r/denmark by /u/queen_bs at 2024-03-13 15:12:18+00:00.
queen_bs (OP) at 2024-03-13 15:47:59+00:00 ID:
kuowt7eso I looked this up and it means "vacuum cleaner noise." That is literally eugenics dude look it up, this comment is honestly freaky as hell
NoneYearClub at 2024-03-13 15:54:20+00:00 ID:
kuoxz59Antog du lige mit køn?!
Det er sgu' ikke pænt gjort. Så kan du godt komme med en undskylding, og det skal være lige med det vuns!
queen_bs (OP) at 2024-03-13 16:00:04+00:00 ID:
kuoz0mdIn the US 'dude' is a gender neutral term
NoneYearClub at 2024-03-13 16:06:15+00:00 ID:
kup04eyJa, men nu er du i Danmark, og der er fyr hankøn.
Fa'me ikke OK at gå rundt her og antage folks køn mens man prædker moral.
queen_bs (OP) at 2024-03-13 16:11:41+00:00 ID:
kup13o7sorry for using american slang, I'm just talking like I normally would
SchouDK at 2024-03-13 20:34:25+00:00 ID:
kuqdg80Just leave our sub and go home to your own sub… your opinion is just as misplaced here as if I went to conservative and said it is wrong to have weapons and every one having one is complaisant in child murder.
queen_bs (OP) at 2024-03-13 20:38:56+00:00 ID:
kuqea9dI honestly wouldn't give a crap if you did that. Its an interesting topic so if you want to go right ahead. If you can't handle someone validly questioning your country then that's a much bigger issue. Danes have HELLA opinions on the US. People literally approached me in Denmark just to talk about American politics but u can't handle this? That's pretty concerning
SchouDK at 2024-03-13 21:05:04+00:00 ID:
kuqj2fsNo the difference is WE KNOW and can see how F**ked USA is… half your country voted for a racist woman hating Cheeto clown and is actually thinking about doing it again. WE KNOW we are not perfect but for sure WE KNOW we are a overall more democratic, inclusive , safer, educated, healthy than your country. And that’s why we wanna discuss politics we you… it is not because we admire USA, not fluffing more anyway, it is because we when talking with Americans is reassured in perhaps we don’t have a paradise but we have it way better than “LAnd of the free”
And it is also based on the above it is really tiresome when a person starts by pointing finger and us and expect it to be a defence that you call yourself pro-life even though you don’t write a single comment where you say you understand that people don’t want a extra burden it is to have a child with downs. All you do is pointing fingers and accuse us of eugenics. And as a last remark it is grand to talk about how we handle downs in Denmark when half your country is against abort under any circumstance… even when it is a child who was raped.
2paulinator at 2024-03-14 08:06:23+00:00 ID:
kut1asuDu må altså gerne bande på internettet. Det tager lidt af seriøsiteten væk når du skriver noget så barnligt som
PewPewhmm at 2024-03-13 15:53:42+00:00 ID:
kuoxuzrThis is litterally not eugenics. You seem serious, why not keep it up?
queen_bs (OP) at 2024-03-13 16:08:03+00:00 ID:
kup0g8lplease explain to me how this issue does not fit the definition of eugenics
PewPewhmm at 2024-03-13 16:15:27+00:00 ID:
kup1s0pIts self explanatory. You feel to much to give the statement, the rationale it needs to be handled with, if you ask me.
queen_bs (OP) at 2024-03-13 16:36:17+00:00 ID:
kup5lewdirectly from google: "Eugenics is a set of beliefs and practices that aim to improve the genetic quality of a human population."
How is comparing aborting fetuses with certain genetics to vacuuming not eugenics?
crazymissdaisy87 at 2024-03-13 16:49:28+00:00 ID:
kup81jrPersonal choice is not eugenics. No one is doing this to improve genetic quality. Downs is not inherited. No one is being forced
PewPewhmm at 2024-03-13 16:52:28+00:00 ID:
kup8lriMaybe he is just describing the suction function he might think it requires to abort a fetus
NoneYearClub at 2024-03-13 17:26:04+00:00 ID:
kupeufbPræcis, jeg kunne også have skrevet; "Her lugter af løg" (Den Eneste ene reference).
PewPewhmm at 2024-03-13 17:50:36+00:00 ID:
kupjeabDu kunne også have skrevet noget relevant. Eller ikke have skrevet noget overhovedet. Mange muligheder
NoneYearClub at 2024-03-13 17:54:01+00:00 ID:
kupk1bbDet kunne jeg, men nu valgte jeg i stedet at poste *støvsugerlyde
Vertebrae_Viking at 2024-03-13 21:20:37+00:00 ID:
kuqlvsmIt is only eugenics if it’s to eradicate a certain unwanted trait, and only then.
Here, abortion of fosters with Down’s syndrome isn’t about eradicating traits, it’s about the parents not wanting to take on the level of responsibility required by these kids. You empirically cannot disprove the fact, that taking on such a responsibility is going to bring down your quality of life. I know adults who are parents of kids with Down’s syndrome and parents of kids with other equally significant syndromes and illnesses. Most of them have never had a single day off since the day their child was born. They will smile in public or in front of their child, and they will call them their gift. Maybe those feelings and expressions are true, but I’ve also seen the exhaustion and the desperation pushing them to panic attacks and uncontrollable crying. Once you’re in, there is not a way out, and you better be sure that you can handle it, if you can’t, then the person you love the most will also make you suffer the most, and there’ll be no-one to blame.
Abortion isn’t a question, it’s an option, and you can never blame someone for taking it.
Pack your virtue-signalling rhetoric in a suitcase, and shove it anywhere you’d like that isn’t here.
GQlle89 at 2024-03-13 15:50:26+00:00 ID:
kuox9e9Please keep your backwards republican views back home and educate yourself about the subject before starting a debate next time.
queen_bs (OP) at 2024-03-13 15:54:41+00:00 ID:
kuoy1g3thats the thing - in America this is not a pro life issue. Implying that you're "cleaning" the population by aborting certain genetic discrepancies is the literal definition of eugenics. In the US it's a completely different issue
ZombieDancing at 2024-03-13 15:57:13+00:00 ID:
kuoyi4nHey bozo, you're not on an American board. Stop shitting up the subreddit with your American culture wars.
crazymissdaisy87 at 2024-03-13 16:06:17+00:00 ID:
kup04ozNo one is going around forcing abortions or sterilisation on people, you're reaching. People make an informed choice, that is all there is to it