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Brigaders.
People with like 10 accounts that upvote themselves/downvote dissent.
Kbin votes are public so we can see brigades in action.
Apparently Lemmy votes are too but it's not accessible in the native interface, only from Kbin. Maybe a third party client will implement it.
It's super obvious when it happens to you, but it's not obvious when you see it in the wild. It would be a great improvement to the site to just show the users who downvoted/upvoted.
Admins and mods can see this in the latest version.
It really is. I've seen people being called out for doing it on kbin because we can literally see a list of users who upvoted.
Strong disagree, I think it has a chilling effect on voting. I think there are plenty of reasons why someone would want to lurk without attaching their account to a given topic, and this is inevitably going to cause problems with targeted harassment down the line as Lemmy grows.
That's a double edge sword though. I've already had unrelated votes thrown in my face a couple of times. Honestly I really wish instances could choose to anonymize votes if they wanted.
That's annoying. "Double edged sword" basically sums up social media.
In other discussions I've seen people say that non anonymous votes are baked into activity pub.
It is actually interesting you can see that comment. I am apparently banned from .ml again. For making a joke about .ml bans in a .world thread.
This is exactly what I'm talking about though. I have clearly been marked by .ml mods and now that seems to be following me across the fediverse. You can look at my profile and see that there's nothing really controversial there, I'm not a troll, and don't flame or antagonize people. The only thing I can come up with is thay I've been marked for voting patterns.
Maybe I'm being paranoid, but I can't help but think the vote functionality was designed intentionally to enable exactly this kind of wider fediverse censorship.
As far as I can see from the mod logs, your last ml bans expired 2 days ago (and were probably due to saying negative things about a couple of specific countries).
Blocking is strange though and doesn't really censor well. There's a guy from kbin who likes to vociferously troll in ml and has been perma banned from it but everyone in kbin can still see and interact with his posts when we go into ml threads, much to everyone's irritation.
I think the fediverse's strength is that it's decentralized. Blocking and defederating doesn't silence people, it just changes who can see them from where.
You have to actually go look at the .ml mod logs specifically. That's another thing which is quite weird and suspicious. Certain .ml actions don't seem to appear in the federated modlog. This example is particularly spooky because it was via a .world thread.
It kind of seems like a bug tbh. Like they have a tool to sanitize the mod logs, but it doesn't change the local copy for whatever reason. IDK. Honestly the shady shit on .ml has really turned me off of fediverse to a large degree. I lasted on Reddit for 15 years without getting any bans, and now this supposed post-censorship community has me marked for reasons I can't quite figure out and nobody will explain.
I did go and look at them on their instance though (I'm on Kbin so doing that is the best way to see that stuff). I searched by your name both in this sub (no bans) and on the instance (expired bans, but I didn't exactly go through it with a fine tooth comb). I saw the screenshotted.
Like I said I can see you here right now, just fine. The lemmy devs are the admin mods on the ml instance and it's well known they have certain political rules. They are marxist leninist. If you're repeatedly catching bans from them it's probably best to concentrate more on other big instances that don't come with that.
Yeah it's weird that you can see the posts. They are definitely hidden when I view this thread from other accounts.
It's just kind of shitty going around and participating and trying to help grow a platform which doesn't want me here for some reason, and to be just randomly banned from places without any knowledge or warning, and to only figure it out because my posts aren't getting any engagement. I honestly didn't realize I'd clicked on a .ml link. I actually have been avoiding stirring the pot on .ml, but this ban was from a .world thread and was a pretty tame joke. It's incredibly frustrating and a bit disturbing to be targeted like this, and I can't help but think the public voting has something to do with it.
I'd happily live and let live with the .ml politics. I'm not trying to tell them how to think. I'm trying to grow their platform. I don't like this idea of excusing them for this kind of behavior like so many people on here do. It's hypocritical, petty and very shady and the people who are ultimately in charge of this technology should be held to a higher standard.
I think the part you are missing is they only want ml platform growth from users they don't see as being impolite or bigoted towards the political apparatus of China.
This isn't in the nature of an "excuse", it's an explanation. The fediverse isn't the old model where a company serves the public.
In terms of responsibility for tech itself, when the reddit exodus to the fediverse began, a number of people saw the Lemmy dev committment to marxist leninism as antithetical to the views they themselves wanted to espouse, and opted for other ActivityPub tech like Miskey, Mastodon, or Kbin instead.
I assure you I am not bigoted towards China. I have family in China. I speak the language. I've been there more than any of them have, I suspect. My entire point is that their net here is inappropriate, and they clearly seem intent on casting it much wider than just their instance, as evidenced from this specific example of them seeming to follow users and act outside their instance. An example which has absolutely nothing to do with China.
I've also never said anything critical of China. I made one comment months ago with a factual statement about a part of China's history which nobody disputes, without editorial. I legitimately don't understand why so you seem to be defending this.
I'm not defending it. In case you hadn't noticed my account is on a threadiverse platform that's not developed or maintained by marxist leninists.
Didn't for a minute think you were. I just see you caught bans under their rule 1 (bigotry etc) and their rule 2 (incivility). Search up me in their mod log and you will see I caught a similar ban from here a few months ago.
Their idea of what constitutes bigotry and criticism, is very different from your idea of it or my idea of it.
I think you may be right and they shadowbanned you for a comment they saw as critical of them, that you made at .world. But that only affects you in relation to you interacting on .ml itself or interacting with people from that instance.
Literally my first experience on Lemmy was arguing with a troll who was getting 3 upvotes within the first second of posting, while handing out three downvotes instantly as well. It was obvious, and when I called them out they said "I just have some fans."
That's a problem not a solution.