this post was submitted on 12 Mar 2024
201 points (90.4% liked)

World News

39102 readers
2168 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News [email protected]

Politics [email protected]

World Politics [email protected]


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Deceptichum 20 points 8 months ago (3 children)

They’ll just blame the voters, like they already do.

The Dems have invested everything into Biden so they can’t change their ship, and the stans can’t admit there is any flaws, so it must be everyone else that is wrong.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I don't know where you guys see it, but I never see any stans for Biden who can't admit his flaws like we see with Trump supporters. The only support I see for Biden is for the general election, not for him or his policies overall. I only see people being critical of Biden but saying we need to vote for him anyway. As bad as it is, there is no Palestine with Trump, there's possibly no democracy with Trump, there's only likely a lot of suffering for the regular people with Trump.

[–] Deceptichum 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I see it everywhere. I’d name drop but can’t “attack the user” in this community or whatever the rule is.

It’s almost at maga levels with these people. Any criticism of Biden is met with “Why do you want Trump to win”, “Bidens policies have been so good but no one knows about them”, or “The president can’t just do things”. I always see zero willingness to admit his huge flaws and only deflection.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Sometimes we hold our nose and vote. Because the alternative is so deeply problematic our moral judgement of one is dwarfed by the moral and practical horror of the other.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

We did that already.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Because literal Genocide isn't "deeply problematic".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

It would be happening in more places, more aggressively with a President Trump.

[–] Deceptichum 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Sometimes we don't make excuses for enabling genocide, but I guess that moral and practical horror is a-okay to some.

[–] Kecessa 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not voting against Trump is enabling even more genocide and the end of some women and minority rights so don't pretend like you've got the moral high ground if your refuse to vote because of the Democrats stance on Israel.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

They absolutely have the moral highground. Fuck a president that enables genocide and funds it. Saying "oh don't be a single issue voter!" when the issue is "stop mass killings of people with a single phone call" is so out of this world, it's just insane.

Time for a third party, plain and simple.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

If literal genocide cannot convince liberals to consider third parties, then I'm convinced they will never support third parties. This is the duopolies Sandy Hook moment. If you see Genocide A or Genocide B and don't seek a third option, you will never seek a third option.

[–] Kecessa 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Sure but that third party doesn't exist so you knowingly letting an even worse option win thus enabling even more genocide just shows you didn't really care about genocides in the first place

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

The Democrats problem is that while they might pass legislation with some foresight or even just fund things, none of it fucking matters if everyone feels broke all the time. Fighting for the status quo is a losing proposition because this shit sucks. Fighting for the status quo just means another 4 years of corporate minmaxing existence into a no-net trapeze subscription service. No one wants what we have now, but sure, lets trust the fuckers who made this to fix it, right? And sure, that's not that fault of these politicians per se, but when politicians are obviously bought out by corporations (who have zero regard for the public well-being) then that makes politicians the face of the corporatocracy, and as deserving of the anger as the every sycophantic C-suite - which is ALL of them .

I want a new army of auditors, matching the size of our armed forces. You break into the 1% and want to do any business in America? Here's your personal IRS agent, who's monitored remotely and anonymously by 2 more Agents. Idgaf if you're a foreign national, you want to do business in America? Thems the breaks. That simple.

You want a corporate business license? Here's your IRS platoon.

The best part? With how corrupt things have gotten, we already KNOW they'll claw enough back to pay for themselves, and then some.

Get caught cheating the tax code? Lose everything you own, then prison. Pull an Enron and rob 1000s of people of their retirement? Death by crowbar. Cheap and reusable. $0 wasted further on you.

Any person or business that pays $0 in taxes deserves 0 of the protections afforded by government. Including forfeiture of patents to the public domain.

But let's play devil's advocate. Let's look at corporations in the same vein our bullshit Supreme Court likes to use, Originalism. The framers of the constitution deemed corporations legal only under the framework that it was temporary to accomplish a public good, to the tune of building a bridge, or a sewer system, then immediately dissolved. Let's go back to THAT and hold everyone accountable to everyone else again, because all humanity needs to become fucking monsters is immunity from accountability. That's something we can NEVER let stand.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ok, those aren't the same thing as supporting him. I will admit I don't care for his policies, but they have been better than I expected, which is something. Also, yeah the president doesn't have the power to do that much alone. It requires congress to play a role, which the democrats don't have enough control in to do. Those are extremely valid things to say, and you can say them while still being critical of Biden. It sounds like you want people to only be critical of him, which is just as bad as only supporting him. We need to understand there's more beyond the one man or we will fail.

[–] Deceptichum 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, but defending someone from criticism and saying their policies are super amazing isn't supporting them?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Saying they're amazing is, but that's not what you said they said.

Defending can be, but it isn't necessarily. I'll defend a lot of people or things that people are attacking for no reason. That said, defending someone from a legitimate critique is usually done out of support, but still sometimes it's done out of a feeling of necessity.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

I've seen it all over the place. Usually in the form of the narcissist's prayer too.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well, trump was the best thing to happen to democratic fundraising ever. So. They have an incentive to see him win.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Media ratings too. Every single outlet that plays on TV would love a Trump victory because it makes people pay attention who would otherwise not watch any news.