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Yes, because normal people always throw PCs away when they stop getting security updates.
When Chrome/Firefox stop getting updates and websites stop working they will
So 5-10 years after Windows EOL
So at least 3 more years, plus however long it takes for website makers to use features exclusive to the very latest versions.
The only stuff that I know no longer works and is in common use is TLS. That's the only reason some of our customers updated from XP.
But that will only happen when the user base falls, so enough people will have had to move on organically, for popular tools like web browsers to give up.
Firefox didn't end windows 7 support until July of last year. 3 years after eol for 7 and when 7's market share among windows was around 3 percent.
And just eol'ing Firefox doesn't immediately break it, you will have at least a couple years before the browser becomes functionally useless.
Slack is already warning of eol on 10
most normal people are just going to be happy their computer isn't annoying them about restarting for updates every two days
Oh, Microsoft will still find a way to annoy them, mark my words
Last update will spam the user to upgrade their computer. If they could brick it and get away with it they would.
Companies probably will.
Some of the biggest businesses in the world still run legacy systems somewhere in their organization. I work for one of the top 5 retail data processors in the world and we have a handful of ancient legacy apps that can't run on anything more modern than Server 2012.
And almost none of them take the proper precautions for vulnerable systems.
I mean for fuck's sake, Office Depot's Southeastern regional headquarters's HVAC system is (well as of 2019 when I last checked) is controlled by a truly decrepit Windows 2000 box THAT IS NETWORK CONNECTED!
We're still running a CNC mill powered by DOS. It's in great mechanical shape, the legacy software makes a specific product that we have a good market for, it's obviously a completely standalone unit with no security concerns.
It's kind of ridiculous actually, we've upgraded the mainboards and processors from 486 to Celeron, SSDs with SATA-> IDE adaptors etc but the software and the hardware drivers run on DOS and there's no practical upgrade path. We will run her until she can't make tooling anymore
Used to support a pick-and-place line for SMT that still ran on DOS, it's exactly as you say. We upgraded every bit of it but when we tried to get a hold of the software co that made the instructions, and found out that all but one of them had passed away from old age and no one had the source anymore.
As far as I know they're still using it.
Another reason I am a big proponent of Open Source.
I've been collecting any and all documentation pertaining to this machine and in many cases the guys I've ended up talking to are the only ones who haven't retired. Fortunately everyone so far has been happy to give me a huge data dump of everything on their drives, knowing that nobody on their end will be available to support it in a few years.
What really scares me is not the software but the aging protocols that talk to obsolete hardware. Lose one of the old AC servomotor drives and good luck finding a way to integrate a modern unit. Easy enough to mate something up to the motor and feedback, not so easy to get it to speak whatever specific flavour of SERCOS was used on the machine. At least it isn't a proprietary protocol... I'm still hoping I never have to do it.
Sigh. You said it yourself, somewhere. Not everywhere.
And this distinction is important why?
All it takes is one compromised device, and there isn't a single company I've worked for (and I've worked for several bigger ones) that didn't have at least one vulnerable device network connected.
It's important because it means there will still be a lot of PCs going to a landfill. That's how the duscussion started.
Hahahahahaha.......breathes..,.. hahahahah
But in all seriousness, they %100 will not. There are still companies that have winxp machines and servers on 2000/2003.
There is an entire sector of the secops industry built on protecting these machines.
Not 100%, but most big businesses will.
Hack the planet?! Finally.
My guess is that Microsoft will notify the users often enough, that's something we don't know in the smartphone space, we'll see what happens
Routers put paid to a lot of that. Early modems were like sticking your dick directly into the internet. I remember when Blaster came out and suddenly we all had to learn what a firewall was.
Hard to believe we just sat there with every port open to the net like that.
it's not even that retarded an argument! If you don't think about it, it could appear to make perfect sense instead of being bullshitese for a problem that isn't real but taps into moral outrage about how wasteful every day is under capitalism.
As I've been noticing it more across lemmy, what word did you type that got changed to "removed"?
The one I've seen is a swear but most others aren't censored, and it seems to be an automated thing.
Edit: I suspect I figured it out so that's at least 2 words, one a debatable slur and one an obvious swear but with no socio-political implications otherwise.
lemmy.ml has some absolutely draconian censorship. The word that was censored was probably b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t. (hopefullly it doesnt catch that). It's also quickly going full blown tankie.
If you want an instance that doesn't censor stuff like a club penguin chat and isn't run by people who regard Joseph Stalin as their personal hero then a good one to try is sh.itjust.works. I only use lemmy.world because it's the only one I could sign up for when I did. If I signed up now then I would probably go for sh.itjust.works or lemmy.dbzer0.com.
Damn, that sucks but thanks for the response. So far that brings the list to ~~three~~ two words and no rationale or common theme save for one that is a modern slur.
For reference, my list so far: 1: removed (B word for female dogs) 2: removed (R word, derogatory for people with handicaps) ~~3: bullshit (B-u word for literal bovine turds)~~
Edit: my bullshit wasn't censored. Sorry to all the pooping cows.
It's the second one
The censorship only happen in lemmy.ml. If you look a the exact comment in another instance (e.g. https://lemmy.world/comment/8291179 ), it's not censored at all. Lemmy.ml is probably applying censorship directly in their local database.