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I think the only people here not wanting to defederate from fb are trolls.
Tbh, I wouldn’t mind more memes and discussion, but I think the quality of both will be terrible
"Everyone who disagrees with me is a troll" - terrible take.
I've seen two reasons to defederate, one is a "lack of trust", which is hilarious because you're on an open platform and you really shouldn't "trust" anyone here, and if you think defederation is going to keep corporate interests out of the fediverse as it grows... Lol
The other is an overwhelming change in content, which I think is the only fair reason to defederate.
"Everyone who disagrees with me is a troll" - terrible take.
That take of that take is a terrible take. In fact, it's a circular argument because one could argue that you are, yourself, overgeneralizing anyone who has a dissenting opinion from your own.
People are allowed to like or dislike what they like or dislike. If you feel marginalized because your opinion is unpopular, whining about it doesn't/won't change anyone's minds.
Having an unpopular opinion doesn't make you a troll. We can argue good/bad opinion all we want. But calling someone a troll for disagreeing with you is just plain rude.
We need to go deeper, this take of my take of that take is a terrible take.
I never said I felt marginalized, I never whined, I never said people can't dislike what I like, and I clearly don't care about having an unpopular opinion or I would've left Lemmy by now lol.
You've essentially made my point for me, which is that an opinion does not make someone a troll just because you disagree. Discussing in bad faith is what makes someone a troll, e.g. pulling strawman arguments out of your ass
Lack of trust has nothing to do with being an open platform. Or rather, its a very stupid argument to tell that there is no reason because its a open platform.
Everyone on activityhub is mostly non-profit and dont have the intention to be the number one and rich. Meta/Facebook on the other hand is trying to be number one and extinguish everything. Aka EEE
And your evidence they're coming in to "extinguish" the "threat" of at most a few milion fediverse users is a failed Microsoft playbook from the 90s that didn't even target open source software? Lol alright
The evidence is just not really given, its a conclusion because Facebook is a pure capitalistic company that loves to break laws for money. Why would they not wont to be the number one?
Well first of all, I don't have to provide evidence to disprove a statement you made without evidence.
Second, my point is that they're a capitalist company, that's exactly why they want to be the only one with your data.
Imagine you owned a library. That library is in principle open, anyone can go in and read books, browse the web, wank in the toilets, etc. It’s a good place and it takes you some doing to keep it so.
Now imagine a bus full of book-hating pyromaniacs parks outside (in this metaphor, there is such a thing as book-specific pyromaniacs, just for the sake of illustration).
Surely you’d hang up a “no pyromaniacs” sign?