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Onefoldbrain at 2024-02-14 01:48:09+00:00 ID:
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Taxes are also much higher and cost of living is (on average) a bit higher in Denmark. It's hard to compare on salary alone. But I believe ALL low income jobs in Denmark are better than those in the USA. I've never heard of someone needing two jobs in Denmark.
If you want low income jobs to be better, then you should stop all the illegal immigration. It's an endless stream of low income workforce that keeps the salary pushed down unnaturally. You are not helping immigrants - you are helping McDonalds. Legal immigration is good for everyone. Illegal immigration is bad for everyone except companies that rely on low salaries.
You might agree or disagree. I'm just pointing out that the problem is bigger and more complex than anyone can reliably explain why the US is the way it is. We have no minimum salary laws in Denmark. It's a complex dance of supply and demand of the workforce.
Sunyaev-Zeldovich at 2024-02-14 05:30:20+00:00 ID:
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While it sounds plausible there’s not a fixed amount of work to be done, so it’s not true in general that immigration pushes wages down. This common misconception is called the fallacy of lump labor. See
Also, in general on the macro level immigration has been a net positive for the US economy . Immigration has to a significant degree expanded the pool of workers in the working age - which can account for most of the difference in economical performance between EU / US
Onefoldbrain at 2024-02-14 07:46:39+00:00 ID:
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You are linking to pay-walled opinion piece from a left-leaning newspaper. That does not make it a fact. It's just you agreeing with another opinion on the left.
Salary dumping/social dumping is very real. We see it all over Europe. Polish truckers can't compete with Ukranian truckers. We are fighting it actively in the EU.
Here's actual information and not some biased opinion: Briefing European Parliamentary Research Service (europa.eu)
You say that immigration has been a positive for the USA and that is true. I also said that legal immigration is positive. It is also positive in the EU. We NEED immigration. What I am saying, is that illegal and uncontrolled immigration is social dumping/salary dumping. You are hurting your poorest citizens and helping your richests citizens.
Sunyaev-Zeldovich at 2024-02-14 10:33:23+00:00 ID:
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While you may discredit the New York Times for being a left-leaning paper, I will just have to say that nobel laureate Paul Krugman is a respected economist nevertheless.
You’re right to a degree of course on the social dumping part - it can lead to a downward pressure on wages in some cases. However, it's definitely a stretch to blame the problem of the working poor primarily on immigration. See https://www.usccr.gov/files/pubs/docs/IllegImmig_10-14-10_430pm.pdf for a bipartisan briefing. On page 9:
Regarding immigration - also illegal - being a net positive effect from an economical point of view. From the same briefing:
Boison at 2024-02-14 06:26:58+00:00 ID:
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Immigration also creates demand for food. It's not the issue here. The issue is that Americans don't have unions at anything near the level of ubiquity of Denmark. Workers are powerless because they are alone.
Onefoldbrain at 2024-02-14 07:51:06+00:00 ID:
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If you had unions and got a better pay. Then people would start using even more illegal immigrants because they are even cheaper now. Unions isn't the answer to everything. You need unions and a functional border.
The demand for food argument is stupid.