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[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Was the training data ethically sourced (for music generation)?

How do music creators feel about their work potentially being regenerated and used in other's works?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Considering copyright is unethical to begin with...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

I could almost agree but I think there is value in copyleft: a hack of copyright to ensure users have some of the rights copyright denies when you get a copy/derivative work from another.

With no copyright it's great that you won't be sued if you share software but in practice a mere binary isn't enough (reverse engineering is impractical). We need the source code to be able to change it (or understand what it's even doing). I won't support removing all copyright law without a solution.

[–] Elderos 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

Free range grass fed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Getting permission to copy each music work for use in training data may be ethically important while the creators are dependant on income from that work to survive, or just as a social contract.

[–] Meowoem 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The capitalist mindset really is a weird one, rent seeking is out of control. We're talking about a tool that allows independent creators and hobby users to improve the quality of their projects but all you can think about is the possibility of getting a couple of dollars in royalties.

Regular users being able to use advanced noise reduction allows regular people to better compete with corporations, it's the sort of technology which can help displace the monopolies which rule the world. But you're against it because they didn't give you 6 cents for listening to your cover version of country roads

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Completely agree, but one thing:

help displace the monopolies

These monopolies are a social/legal problem. It can't be solved with technology. The increased FTC action in the US under the Biden administration are really a hopeful sign.

I am worried about the number of people who want to go in the opposite direction, which "ethically sourced" is simply code for.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Consider there is nuance here. I write code and want people to use it but only if they follow the license that means they must share it with others. I liked the idea of AI creating art for me until I considered the tool's method of creation and the negative effect taking from artists may have.

I suggest supporting independent creators directly instead.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

you are saying this like the music indistry weren't about resampling/remixing/rethinking existing songs/melodies/phrases already. it always was. and that's fine! people always gets down to the source if they hear something fancy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I can't image people always get to the source, my understanding is most music does not have attribution of significant portions copied.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I can't imagine...

well yeah, there's a lot of things I can't imagine either, the world is a strange place

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Indeed, but without reason to change my mind it will remain the same.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

How do music creators feel about their work potentially being regenerated and used in other’s works?

They can always discuss that with their psychologists! :)