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@yogthos is this about Ukraine? Because we never had a coup.
Interesting you'd say that given that it's pretty well documented in western media https://archive.ph/BAxYc
@yogthos we had a revolution in 2004 after the government tried to fake elections. It was called Maidan. Right after the revolution won we had open democratic elections with international oversight. That's not a coup. Same happened in 2013, when another government tried to force us into Russia. We had hundreds of thousands of people on the streets fighting for freedom, and then democratic elections. That is NOT a coup.
Whatever you say.
@yogthos this is literally how democracies work. If the government fucks up people go to the streets.
No, it's literally not how democracies work.
@yogthos #democracy is within the blood of #Ukraine. We had democratically elected governments in 17th century. And we in fact have the oldest constitution in Europe. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Pylyp_Orlyk
If you think Ukraine has democracy, I don't know what else to tell you. Last I checked Ukraine has been described as the most corrupt nation in Europe, the government banned opposition parties, prosecutes journalist, and has recently cancelled elections.
@yogthos well you can change a lot in 8 years, since the "last time you checked" 😂 and I KNOW Ukraine has democracy. I've seen it with my own eyes. Now we have the most advanced digital government in the world, much lower corruption (although the level of corruption is not directly related to being a democracy). But thank for the inspiration. I'll use your posts to write an article on polemic tricks.
😂
@yogthos thanks for the inspiration, I haven't written for some time and your little "coup" trick was a great example.
You can't even admit that a coup is a coup and keep trying to claim that Ukraine has a democracy while accusing me of using polemic tricks. Absolutely incredible stuff on display here.
@yogthos not really, I just caught your trick and exposed it. Don't be upset about it, you're anonymous anyway.
I'm not sure what you think you've exposed because there is no trick here. I stated basic facts of the situation and provided numerous references supporting those facts as reported in western media. Yet, here you are trying to pretend that black is actually white. It would be equivalent of me claiming that Russia is a great flourishing democracy of some sort. I've got nothing to be upset about here because I'm not the one spewing bullshit.
@yogthos just like there was no trick here 😂 https://fosstodon.org/@mykhaylo/110675007441341869
Leave it to a ruzzian propagandist to reference an almost ten year old article claiming corruption in Ukraine. Heaven forbid anyone actually put 5 seconds of effort in to find out yogshit is speaking out of his ass.
Imagine being such an utter imbecile to think that corruption situation in Ukraine is better today. You are an utter 🤡 and you should be deeply ashamed of yourself.
https://www.politico.eu/article/hungary-orban-corruption-transparency-international/
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/corruption-index?continent=europe
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Ukraine
https://www.coe.int/en/web/corruption/completed-projects/enpi/newsroom-enpi/-/asset_publisher/F0LygN4lv4rX/content/ukraine-most-corrupt-country-in-europe-after-russia?inheritRedirect=false
Oof.. you are bad at this. Clown. Lol.
@yogthos a coup is a sudden violent change of government, often by a small group of people. In both of our revolutions we had hundreds of thousands of people in peaceful protest on the streets. In 2004 all went peacefully. In 2013 the police started shooting and the president ran away to Russia. He's still there by the way, asking us to give up to Putin. Great guy.
A democratically elected government was violently overthrown in 2014 by a small group of violent nationalists. Interesting how you spin this as some kind of a revolution.
@yogthos you call this group of people SMALL? 😂
Well you do clearly have disproportionate view of your self importance.
@yogthos and then count me into violent nationalists. Although you'll have a problem since I'm Jewish, just like our nazzi president 😂 who is a democratically elected next president, which is typical for military coups 😂
oh hey these your friends at work here? https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/07/07/ayja-j07.html
@yogthos interesting, why do you ask?
I'm just curious to hear what your stance is on what Israel is doing to Palestinians.
That's an interesting line of argument given what Jewish people are currently doing in Palestine.