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‘Andrew Tate is a symptom, not the problem’: why young men are turning against feminism (www.theguardian.com)

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Teachers describe a deterioration in behaviour and attitudes that has proved to be fertile terrain for misogynistic influencers

“As soon as I mention feminism, you can feel the shift in the room; they’re shuffling in their seats.” Mike Nicholson holds workshops with teenage boys about the challenges of impending manhood. Standing up for the sisterhood, it seems, is the last thing on their minds.

When Nicholson says he is a feminist himself, “I can see them look at me, like, ‘I used to like you.’”

Once Nicholson, whose programme is called Progressive Masculinity, unpacks the fact that feminism means equal rights and opportunities for women, many of the boys with whom he works are won over.

“A lot of it is bred from misunderstanding and how the word is smeared,” he says.

But he is battling against what he calls a “dominance-based model” of masculinity. “These old-fashioned, regressive ideas are having a renaissance, through your masculinity influencers – your grifters, like Andrew Tate.”

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 8 months ago (7 children)

In all honesty, 3rd wave feminism chased away a lot of male allies. Like a whole lot.

But I don't think that's what led to Andrew Tate, that is no failure of feminism.

Andrew Tate is the product of hyper capitalistic individualism being held up in all forms and media and real life as 'the ideal lifestyle', a rich, aggressive asshole that has enough clout that most people can't back them down.

The Tates, Trumps, Elons of the world are having their day because our current generation conflates wealth with competence.

And it's going to ruin our world.

That said, feminism as it stands now is far more welcoming and inclusive to men than it has been in 25 years and I applaud the change.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I actually things those people are the last straw of that system. They are the final product of this system and everyone hates it, sooner or later. Your average traditionalist will not recognize himself in Tates lack of manners nor will the liberal capitalist due to his authoritarian tendencies. He is the final product of a terminally ill system and the full displays of all of its flaws. I'm quite hopeful since his downfall because it likely means people will move on from that system

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I wish I could believe in your optimistic view. In my experience the first part is right, but instead of everyone hating it, they will double down because NOW it's part of their identity and you don't threaten someone's identity. People will move mountains to keep their worldview intact.

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