The primary difference is, I can throw a party, I can have my trans friends gay friends Muslim friends black friends, and Latino friends All in the same room. Then I can leave the room to go take care of something and not have to worry that any one person in the room is going to say "you people".

To be very honest I do have some somewhat conservative friends, They mostly worry that legislation will even the playing field and all their lifelong hard work will be for nothing. Which is still a pretty shitty outlook but I can understand it. They spent 10 years of their life putting our kids through college and all of a sudden colleges free.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"I had to suffer, so everyone else should too." is NOT a valid reason to push back against progress.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yep. Falls into the "Fuck you I got mine" category.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

Every time I hear that I'm like, "So YOU made your car, home, smart phone, EVERYTHING, yourself? Without the help of any other human being? Congratulations on being so self-sufficient, clearly you don't need money, or to see a doctor, or to hire a specialist for anything, you can do it all!"

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

That's my stance too. If I put a group of people in a room, ideally everyone works together.

Thats not a thing with conservatives. They'll be starting fights with everyone and then blame that they're oppressed.

[–] rambling_lunatic 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Depends really heavily on how fundamentalist that Muslim friend is, comrade. If they are Muslim in the same way that Joe Biden is a Christian, then yeah. If they are a Wahhabist, then may Allah help the gays, because the Wahhabist sure as hell won't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I have 4 Muslim friends, 3 of them would never say a bad word about anyone even in confidence. The forth one would in fact say something about someone, but never to their face. I'm sure there are extremists out there, but by the numbers, 6/10 Christians can't help but preach to people.

[–] rambling_lunatic 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think that it really depends on how much the religion is screwing the government. Muslims from secular lands (for instance Kazakhstan) are usually chill. Muslims from theocracies (for instance Saudi Arabia) often aren't. Christians from secular countries (say, Spain) are usually chill. Christians from the land of fundies (Uganda) are not.

The 6/10 is there because a casual believer is indistinguishable from a nonbeliever in most cases. Muslims are noticeably different, and so you notice them easier, thus giving you better statistics.

I should note that my thoughts on the matter are mostly based on anecdotal evidence and that you shouldn't treat my words as Itmām al-hujjah (heh).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah anecdotal here too. good info though, always good to see different sides of situations from sane people.

[–] rambling_lunatic 2 points 10 months ago

Glad I could be useful. Cheers!