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Methinks right wing preppers know exactly what they are doing and are preparing to rob and loot the community-building efforts that other people create communally after the fall. But hey, that's just a theory. π
Agreed, but if you read accounts of people who have lived through, say, war, you'll find that that works out a lot less swimmingly than the right-wingers always assume it will be. They quickly become social pariahs, and it doesn't matter that they have the guns, because they can't stay organized due to infighting of people internally vying for power. There have been entire books written on this, but I think this great comment from Dee Xtrovert on MetaFilter 15 years ago about the siege of Sarajevo really sums it up.
https://www.metafilter.com/78669/What-if-things-just-keep-getting-worse#2430771
If there's a best of community, your comments in this thread belong there. They're informative and subvert expectations
Well to be fair, that's not my comment, but rather someone else who I am quoting. I've just had it bookmarked for years.
Best of can definitely include curation. Thanks for share this post.
I'd like to build on your comment and the comment above yours by mentioning elite panic. Behind the bastards did a great episode on the topic for people who want more than a Wikipedia page.
The TL;DR is that the idea that average people panic in a disaster situation is verifiably false. More often than not, people look out for one another and, through tactics such as mutual aid and direct action, self organize to ensure one another's safety as much as they can. If there is any chaos or disorder in a situation (outside of the disaster itself) it's usually by authority figures such as government agencies, the military, police, etc trying to enforce order through violence against victims of the disaster. A good companion piece to that behind the bastards episode would be this video by anasi's library on the response to hurricane Katrina in the US as well as A Paradise Built in Hell by Rebecca Solnit.
If you think the world is going to shit and that the powers that be will do little if anything about any of the problems posing a threat to society; you should be working on building community around you. Establish mutual aid netwotks, learn to be self reliant and pass that knowledge on to others, stockpile and make resources that will enable you and your community to survive for extended periods of time. The state wont help and is more likely to do something that gets you killed before it saves you.
Absolutely stellar addition. Thanks for the links!
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So, crafting supplies.
I know how to build a windmill out of busted car parts. If the jackals steal the windmill we've built.. how do they know what to keep an eye on? How much can they demand from it?
Ultimately, working against a community is failure. Not even the economic power of the US could break Afghanistan, or Vietnam, etc. Almost all of us want peace and stability.
Without a deep understanding of electronics and energy, the cobbled-together windmill will ultimately provide neither.
Yeah, I suspect this is right. Far be it from me to give right-wing preppers too much benefit of the doubt (that maybe there is some logic to their illogic), but I suspect their fantasy is just to survive until all their neighbors are dead of earthquake or chemical weapon attack or political unrest or the biblical tribulation or whatever. Once all their neighbors are dead, they can take their stuff. Land, more canned and shelf-stable goods, first aid supplies, etc.
It was war that turned me into a non-survivalist. I just donβt care that much, and the worse it would get, the less Iβd care. Previously I could get the whole road warrior thing. Now, Iβm just like βwho the fuck would want to live through that?β
For me personally, I think it'd be a case of fucking around until I can't extract any fun out of the situation. After that, fuck it, I'm jumping off a cliff.
Sometimes, the only way to win is to not play.