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[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (15 children)

You say that but most cops still will go their whole career without firing their gun statistically.

you know the other part of that statistic, right? that those who do tend to get into substantially more situations that 'require' lethal force in the first place. Some of this has to do with where they happen to work.... cops working in departments within large cities are much more likely than cops out in the burbs or sticks. Part of it is also their specific occupational specialty- SWAT for example is just put into more situations where it's necessary, compared to state highway patrol vehicle inspectors. or the Federal Reserve Cops.

Plus hand guns are crazy hard to aim over any distance

Yeah, that's true enough when your average cop has less than 15 hours of range time annually, and only quals out once a year. The vast majority of distance for police engagement is 3-6 feet. I can put a four inch grouping at fifty feet, a six inch grouping at thirty feet in stress simulations. And I am not some badass. I just get a lot of range time for work.

If you're going to carry... you need to be able to hit what you're aiming at. a miss isn't just a miss. Its a chance to clip that kid playing ball a hundred yards a way, or the grandma poking her head out the curtains to see what the fuck is going on outside.

Cops need to be better- every round that misses it's target is potentially some random kid caught in the crossfire. Personally, cops need way more training on not going to lethal force in the first place. but that's a different topic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (11 children)

Police in Finland regularly stop suspects by shooting them into leg which according to many Americans is impossible due to how inaccurate pistols are. That apparently means the alternative is then to dump the entire mag into the torso.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (8 children)

Got a proper source on that claim there? Cuz... yeah.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I did find a great many links to articles about this one event, but so far nothing to support that they do it regularly.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/world-news/finland-stabbing-suspect-shot-in-leg

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

you'll note that they don't say he was shot in the thigh intentionally. I suspect that they were aiming center mass and were just off. it happens. hitting a running target is... well here, the FBI tallies a ~47% chance to hit between 5-15 feet. (this is comparison to an 87% chance to be hit if you're standing still.)

Shots to extremities happen, nobody is saying they don't. But doing so on purpose is almost impossible. Especially on a running target. Even with a rifle. This is why you don't use a weapon fundamentally designed to be lethal as "less lethal". At best, you wing him and he's still running. at worst, you miss, and clip a mom and her infant baby behind them.

There's better tools to take some one down without lethal force. (see UK police tactics with Batons, for an example.)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah, I'd think outside of movie-style moments it's not something that makes sense 99.9% of the time, I just thought it was an interesting claim. It would have been more interesting if it were true. 😁

(to be clear I'm not the guy who made the claim)

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