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[–] [email protected] 54 points 7 months ago (19 children)

Haven't run into a game yet that doesn't run on Linux when using Proton. 👌

[–] [email protected] 44 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The Finals works on Linux!

In other news, I got a message saying I was banned from The Finals for playing on Linux.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's gotta be rectifiable somehow. Did you contact some sort of support?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It said I could reach out to support but I was hopping off and it didn't give me any links or anything actionable in the message. So I guess I can go hunt down the support info and complain.

If I don't get unbanned, oh well. I guess I won't play that game anymore. Its not like I spent any money on it and my time invested in about an hour at this point.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That ban also pop up on your steam account? Because if it does that can screw you in other games if they have community servers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Anti cheat and Linux is why I can't use Linux. I already have 2 games impossible to play on Linux.

BDO,EFT FYI

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I was banned from The Finals for playing on Linux

How is that not illegal?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Well, civil rights lawyers have been pretty busy lately trying to stop the slide into facism, so they haven’t gotten around to making our choice of OS a protected class.

Seriously though, why would it be illegal? It’s their game, so they get to be assholes and decide who gets to play it with them. I don’t think that’s ever going to change, and I’m not sure it should. We do the same thing in the Fediverse, deciding who gets to use the instances we control.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I know that's a turn-of-phrase but it's their game so they can do what they want.

It probably trips some EAC flag because it realizes something is "amiss". Id guess going through proton might behave a little differently and they think you are cheating or installing hacked dlls or something so they ban.

I know when other games have caught a wave of Linux users in bans they reverse them in time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If someone buys a product from you, you shouln’t be able to deny them from using it based on arbitrary criteria without a refund.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Don’t worry, they refunded his $0 for the free game.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Oh, it’s free? Then never mind.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Most of the games not running today would run perfectly if they did not have some bullshit anti-cheat implemented (Easy Anti-Cheat is I think the worst offender here).

Source: personal experience checking ProtonDB for games I want to play

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately there's a cheating plague right now. It's never been easier to cheat. It's a huge problem in any competitive shooter. If you want your game to be successful, you need decent anti cheat.

I can't blame the devs for using a plug and play solution.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

I understand developers needs for decent Anti-Cheat and I am not faulting them for using Anti-Cheat systems in general.

But Kernel level Anti-Cheats should not exist. No application should ever have this level of access over your entire PC. You have no idea what these Anti-Cheats are doing, you have no idea what data they are collecting and sending to whom and you have no idea what kind of security flaws they introduce. For all you know every password you type on your computer is shared with the companies using Kernel Level Anti-Cheat. Your PC might as well have no password anymore. If someone finds an exploit for Easy Anti-Cheat (or any of the other dozen Kernel level Anti-Cheats out there) and deploys a Virus over it then your best bet is turning religious because praying for divine intervention would be more effective than any Anti-Virus software.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Huh? Easy Anti-Cheat is the one that actually works for me on Linux.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

see my reply to another comment here. I mentioned EAC simply because most games use it and don't enable the required flag for Linux support.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The only games that give me any trouble are some Japanese VNs, which can be absolutely cursed for some reason. Like, massive tech juggernauts like Cyberpunk are click and play, but I've spent hours getting books-with-PNGs working.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

That's because their code quality is usually an absolute dumpster fire that only works if Wine exactly replicates obscure Windows bugs.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

There are a couple, but I'm spoiled for choice with great games so the convenience of being able to run something on my Steam Deck means that the few that don't run just drop to the bottom of the backlog. Proton is really a brilliant feat of engineering.

[–] reev 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My problem is that I enjoy specific multiplayer games. League, Val, Finals. Those are the three right now and riot specifically seems a tad disinterested in Linux. Sadge.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

League is owned by Tencent who is specifically interested in using the software for the benefit of the Chinese government as is mandatory for them. They don't want you using an OS with actual security. Heck, they don't even want you to see a skin or splash art that hasn't been approved by their government!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The anti cheat in league is literally a rootkit.

When it came out there was an outcry and their statement was basically "okay okay, so its a rootkit. But guys, you can trust us! We're totally not going to do anything nefarious with it!"

I can't believe people still play that shit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You mean Vanguard, which was announced but isn't actually in the game yet. Their plan is to add it late February or early March. We don't actually know any details about the implementation except that it won't be used in the macOS version.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

the one i am the most sad about is magicka 1 - great game but getting it to run on linux is (as far as i've found so far) pretty much impossible.

Won't claim that it runs all that great on windows either though - getting through a chapter without crashing is rarer than i'd like it to be...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I recently heard about this. I used to play it. I searched on the steam discussion page and there is a fan patch that fixes all the crashes. It is on github. I found it for you. Try this. https://github.com/pj1234678/MagickaFix

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Destiny 2 still won't work, and Simracing is still a no go.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

The simracing part is a real bummer. That's the only reason I'm still on Win.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Genshin Impact, anticheat thibjs you're cheating, blocked until fixed. Happens every update.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I’ve run into many, the latest being Rising Storm 2. Its development has been suspended and the EAC is a version that doesn’t work with Linux, so you can’t play on any servers except the ones that allow hackers. There’s also the issues with performance in Squad on Linux. Starship Troopers: Extermination also runs better on Windows. That’s just the ones I’ve had an issue with in the past month.

That being said, I’m still not willing to go back to Windows, even to play these games.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

As a novice, how does one use proton, and can I install StarCraft 2

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You install it from within Steam, ~~or using flatpak if you're installing Steam via flatpak~~ [Proton on flatpak has reached EOL, try installing via Steam instead]. Then in settings you set it so every game uses the Proton compatibility layer, or whatever it's called. You don't have to do it per game, it's a global setting (as well as a setting for each game if you prefer).

I can't answer for a specific game though, you'd have to simply try it out or check a database which has info on games that can run using Proton. I don't know the site from memory.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Thanks for the info!

On Eindows, StarCraft 2 comes from the Blizzard battle.net launcher.

I’m curious to know if I get a steam deck if I can play non steam games. I don’t really want to install windows on it.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Maybe i bricked something in my machine somewhere when messing with drivers for machine learning cuda support. But I often have games that are 'supported' through proton but fail to launch or even crash my PC. Metro exodus & deep rock to name a few. Other games do run great. But still things like steam big picture being laggy is annoying.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

yeh that'll probably be it tbf... the cuda drivers are specifically for scientific computing and are pretty rubbish for anything else unfortunately... even amd ones are like that :(

however a way i found around it is to just push my gpu compute envs to docker and voila (also avoids the pain of installing the drivers cos nvidia actually provides a cuda docker image) :D

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

That's actually a good tip. Even though I don't use CUDA and never have.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I pretty much only have issues with ea stuff. I was playing it takes two, and it was like 50/50 if it would work for me. It always worked for my friend on windows.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Haven't run into a game yet that doesn't run on Windows.

Without the need to fiddle with any settings. It is all just click and play.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Same experience on Linux for me. Install Steam, install Proton, set it to be default for all games. Click and play. 🙂👍 Not really "fiddling". It's a one-time thing that I equate to just installing Steam. Very good experience.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean, some games do not work. Because they do not work on Windows as well. Looking at you, ksp 2 🤦‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

It's such a shame about KSP 2. I was so hyped when I saw it was announced, then it all turned to shiz.

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