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Does Lemm.ee plan to de-federate from instagram threads? (lemm.ee)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I cam here to get away from all the corporate BS, but suddenly people want to welcome Facebook/Meta to the fediverse? I cannot fathom how people see their intentions as pure or innocent, especially since they aim to profit off of the open source software everyone has worked so hard on.

I just don’t see how the fediverse survives if it decides to let these massive companies make their instances. It feels like it’ll be a repeat of the rise of social media, where all the smaller forms got wiped out by large, consolidated social media platforms.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Edit: Let's move further discussion here: https://lemm.ee/post/851217

I don't see any Lemmy <-> Threads interoperability happening in the near future anyway. I haven't looked at Threads very much, but from what I can tell, it's mainly going to be a problem for Mastodon rather than Lemmy. Even from a UX standpoint, it does not seem like Threads is really designed to show Lemmy content (and vice versa).

Having said that, Facebook has shown countless times that it's actively harmful to its users as a platform, so there's not much reason to believe that Threads would be any different. If Threads ever becomes interoperable with Lemmy, then I think defederation would be completely justified, unless they can somehow completely change their approach to ads, user tracking and feed algorithms. If that day ever comes, I will make a decision together with the lemm.ee community on how to proceed. But for now, it's not an issue - there is nothing to even defederate yet.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Thank you for giving a clear and concise answer! We appreciate your hard work you've put into Lemmy!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Can't you put threads.net on the defederation list anyway, even if there's nothing to federate yet? That way, there's not even a chance for it happening.

What I mean is, how exactly would you know that Threads now has users participating with our posts? It probably wouldn't be instantly, I wouldn't bet on there being an announcement on Threads' side, they might just start showing the content and comments from their users start showing up, and then you'd have this conversation you're talking about.

Why not just nip it in the bud immediately by pre-emptively defederating so that can't even happen? I certainly would welcome it.

I would prefer to have a conversation later about federating with Threads in case of those things you mentioned instead of the conversation being about defederating.

Please have this conversation with the lemm.ee community now about pre-emptively defederating. We can still have the other conversation about federating later as well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can’t you put threads.net on the defederation list anyway, even if there’s nothing to federate yet? That way, there’s not even a chance for it happening.

Well, at this point, we don't even know for sure if threads.net will become their ActivityPub domain, so we can't guarantee anything by doing this. But I will make a post about this topic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I didn't think about that threads.net might not be their domain. I still wouldn't think it'd be bad to just put it there since that domain would very likely be it, but then it'd definitely be fine for me to wait for the actual domain.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Thank you for your work!

[+] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The risk is not so much Threads having access to our data, but thst Threads, with millions of users and teams of full time devs, becomes the standard, allowing Meta to control the development of the open source protocol, and browbeating everyone into using their instance/version/servers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Companies hate competition more than anything. If meta gets its tentacles in the fediverse, it'll do its best to be the only option available. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure that, under the hood, they become evil towards their users and don't change from that. And will never reconsider rescinding the things we're grateful to not have in the fediverse: profits fueled by advertising rather than donations, tracking sensitive information (including that one can and will use against you), selling that information, and obscure, closed algorithms.

But what you said may be right. Those goddamn C&D orders backed by powerful lawyers...