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This is an article written by telegram's founder and CEO Pavel Durov in 2019 on "Why whatsapp will never be secure". Your thoughts?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago (2 children)

"Here's what someone who has never created a private messenger thinks about Whatsapp's privacy."

Why would anyone care about what he has to say? ๐Ÿ’€

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Owned by Facebook, which is a giant US company.

Of fucking course it has backdoors.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I'm confused regarding why you don't consider telegram a private messenger.

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's been a while since I looked into it, and things might have changed since then, but some stuff off the top of my head:

  • Messages are stored on the server, not on the device
  • end-to-end encryption not enabled by default
  • uses proprietary encryption, making security audits difficult

Apart from that it's somewhat politically questionable, based in Dubai (I think), with dubious financial backing and Russian developers. Because it's closed source and the encryption is proprietary, there's no way of knowing how much info it leaks.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Messages are stored on the server, not on the device

Yes, pretty much necessary to provide multidevice support

end-to-end encryption not enabled by default

True that and telegram sucks big here, but I donth think e2ee can be enabled in a feasible way for multiple devices.

uses proprietary encryption, making security audits difficult

The MTProto isnt open source but its fully documented, there have been security audits on it.

dubious financial backing

No. Pavel Durov have always said since starting he paid for telegram's servers from his pocket, in recent years telegram has started monetisation programs to cover its costs.

Russian developers

The founders were born in Russia, but they now have dual citizenship of UAE and France. If you are talking about politically questionable, even signal have been accused of having backdoors for CIA.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Never has been, no default e2ee, and those exploits that leaked a ton of users locations.

Not to mention, no messenger is verifiably private unless it is fully open source.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Telegram isn't, so you must be very confused indeed