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I've got no counterpoint, but I had the same realization, and it has made me question not being vegan. I'm like 80% without trying, but also replacing eggs and cheese is difficult
Fuck vegan absolutists, the fact that you're trying is enough
I am firmly of the belief that most of the issues in the meat/dairy industry would be resolved if everyone simply consumed less of them as opposed to becoming vegan. That's how I live my life and I've gotten praises from doctors and nutrition specialists about my diet. Exercise is another thing tho....
Right, that's what I tell people too. I still eat fish on occasion, and if I order food to go and it's accidentally meat, I will eat it to not waste it.
Have had a few relatives look at me blankly, like they've never considered it, when I tell them they don't NEED to be vegetarian but reducing meat/dairy requires little effort. Sometimes they will send me pictures of the reduced meat meals they make now, which I think is so cute haha. Meat even just as a side dish and not the main course goes a long way :)
Me and my partner do this. We often eat vegan food but if we add a bit of cheese it doesn’t matter. We’ve still consumed way less meat and dairy than we would have a few years ago
Animals would still be getting exploited and killed tho
Is animals getting killed for food an issue in essence?
Yes, needless killing is bad.
People aren't consuming less, though, they're consuming more. Global meat consumption is still rising. Despite supporting myself on a retail-industry income, I'm still able to be 100% vegan, and support zero animal cruelty.
Less is great. None is best. Your only rationale in your comment for why eating less animal products is better than going completely vegan is... that's the way you live so you want that to be the case?
Me too, but I think we need an actual budget rather than doing it by feeling. The 2t carbon budget is a good start.
Trying is good but very real animals are still suffering for eggs and cheese.
Is it really wrong to think that the right amount of animal cruelty is none?
Reducing without a strict diet is much easier for people. Small wins. If you can make a "I only eat meat, what are veggies?" person reduce their meat intake at all, that's a super big win. Changing your entire meal prep is a huge undertaking and most people just won't do it because it's too overwhelming. Reducing meat to a side, and being more mindful? Way easier.
Chickens just lay eggs. It's just a thing they do. The factory chicken farms are fucked and shouldn't exist but ethical eggs are a thing.
They've been bred to lay an extreme amount of unnaturally big eggs.
Either way they are still going to lay those eggs if they exist.
? Then its time to stop breeding them like that.
I think even ethical eggs end up with some amount of suffering or premature death. Like those videos of the baby chicks being ground up.
A large portion of health issues and causes of death chickens face are egg related. Sometimes the eggs get stuck, sometimes they break before being laid and cause an infection, vent prolapse, cancer, etc. That's not to say I don't think we should eat eggs, with a lot of cooking there is just no good substitute, but even the most pampered hen doesn't have it easy.
You can do it :)
It can be scary thinking about it but give it a real try and you'll realize that it's actually much easier than you thought.
I like to get eggs from my neighbors who have backyard chickens if they have extra. I can see them, know they're not in pain, or mass produced :)
Cheese I still have no idea. Their isn't anything easily available, like almond milk for dairy milk. The vegan ones I've tried (years ago) are gross and full of emulsifiers. Always striving/looking though.
I'm going the other way. I'm going to eat all types of meat. No more meat determination from me. I'll eat anything that moves now.
Kangaroo is great if it's prepared well.
Yeah, I think I'd totally try dog meat. It feels hypocritical not to