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mint will be stuck on xorg for the foreseeable future.
if you want something with similar workflow to windows, KDE distros are pretty good nowadays.
Mint will use xorg as the default session until 2026, where it is projected that wayland will solve most if not all of its showstoppers.
Mint's cinnamon DE is built off of Mutter, GNOME's compositor, so all it means is that Mint will be doing the same thing that it has always done, been what GNOME could have been if it hadn't reinvented itself.
Mint is a workflow extremely similar to what most users have experienced on Windows and specifically caters to Windows users or users coming from proprietary operating systems.
2026 is a hell of a wait though considering new drivers and software will start targeting wayland in that time.
It is, but Mint has always prided itself on adopting new technology late once all the dust has settled. Besides, it's just for Wayland being the default (and most likely deprecating the X11 session), a usable wayland session for cinnamon will most likely be available come 2025.
There's always POP!_OS going in hot with their COSMIC compositor, so people who want to adopt wayland can do so when POP!_OS does and still have that "Ubuntu(TM) experience minus Canonical" distro.
If you want to see a hell of a wait, you should check out RHEL's deprecation timeline.
Why does it matter? What user really cares if it's Wayland or x11? Software is about solving problems for the user. Mint is far superior to Windows.
Sent from KDE with x11...
because its unmantained and will not get new features anymore, i dont expect new software and hardware to support it going forward.
sent from gnome and x11!
It doesn't need new features and I'm pretty sure any bugs, vulnerabilities will still get ironed out. We both know Wayland will kill x11. The point is, considering we are both using x11, why should a new person from Windows need it now?
In a few years, my position would be different, but for now, mileage varies and many face use cases it doesn't yet cover. X11 is mature and mostly just works.
Depends on their hardware. I use 4 monitors at:
It works better on Wayland. Other users could be in a similar situation.
iirc, you can't use FreeSync with multi monitors on Xorg as well
because its dying soon, no need to go all in on it now.
neither of us will be using it. its already dead if your hardware doesnt include nvidia.
No one is going all in, and once distros retire it, it's dead. Jumping before distros because you have a rush of blood to the head isn't particularly helpful.
My hardware has no Nvidia, but getting screen recording on Wayland was a royal pain in the backside. Functionally, x11 just works better for me right now. When they iron this stuff out and make it effortless, great, but until then, the software still needs maturing.
my point is that this kind of issue will be ironed out anyway and its looking like its gonna be sooner rather than later.
i dont mind if you are already invested in using xorg and its working out for you (hey, i do too). i just dont see much reason to go into linux for the first time as a noob with it in mind at all.
They don't need to think about display servers. Just update and it will resolve itself. You're overcomplicating things and scaring people away from Linux.
thats what i said.
except recommending unmantained software is bound to cause issues for a layman user, regardless of what it is.
Do you have evidence it is unmaintained?
Last commit years ago?
it needs bits and bobs to keep working as is. last commit is an indicator but not a great one by itself.
it aint getting new support, and security patches are taking their sweet damn time. compare that with projects that support wayland. also take a look at what a lot of xorg devs have been working on.
my point this whole time is that a distro stuck on it will start to reflect that.
i feel like this isnt going anywhere so have a nice day.
To me mint was always the closest to what I wanted as a Windows user. I still user windows most of the time now but whenever I use Linux, it's mint.
Zorin is another good one
been meaning to try this one
how stable is it?
I find it stable but admit I use macOS and Windows as daily drivers still