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From the opinion piece:

Last year, I pointed out how many big publishers came crawlin' back to Steam after trying their own things: EA, Activision, Microsoft. This year, for the first time ever, two Blizzard games released on Steam: Overwatch and Diablo 4.

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[–] [email protected] 289 points 7 months ago (27 children)

I know everyone loves Valve, but it feels super weird to be celebrating a monopoly so much and so ferociously. (I know Steam isn't a technical monopoly. We don't need to have that discussion)

Gaben is old, and he's gonna retire. It'll likely be a lot sooner than anyone here is comfortable with. When Valve gets sold, or even when gaben isn't in total control anymore, things are going to start changing, and there isn't going to be a healthy, diverse marketplace to soften that.

There is a very good chance that the PC platform will be a really horrible place because of the lack of consumer choice in which they can purchase and play games.

[–] [email protected] 142 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

This genuinely doesn't get talked about enough. Steam is a private company and Gabe Newell seems to be the de facto "head" of the company, despite its famously "flat" management structure. There is no guarantee a new leader will have the same values or lead the same way. There is ripe opportunity for Steam to become a steaming pile of shit. I don't know about the exact ownership structure beyond Newell, but unless the employees are far more empowered through things like ownership stake in the company, new leadership could effectively destroy how things currently work at Valve to be replaced by any number of terrible business decisions.

Gabe is old as hell. It's coming.

[–] [email protected] 109 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Dude, he's 61. You guys are making it sound like he's as old as a presidential candidate..

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You don't need to be old to die tomorrow.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

True, but that's unrelated to people pretending that he's older than dirt 🤷

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Long live the King!

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hopefully they have some sort of transition plan for who will take over when Gabe retires. As long as they hand the reigns over to someone with similar ideas and not some business type they could be fine given they are privately owned.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Has there been any news at all on who the potential successors are?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Read somewhere that his son who has a similar philosophy was going to take over

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

First time hearing about this. Hope it works out.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

Gabe is only 61. But based on his size he will probably go from health issues from that sooner than old age will get a skinnier Gabs.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

That’s because at a certain point things like this should just become services.

But that’s wildly against capitalists mindset so…

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 7 months ago (23 children)

It's not Steam's fault if their competitors can't make a good product. Steam is still the only one with Linux support.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There is nothing exclusive to steam with respect to Linux support. All of the things required for games to run on Linux which valve support are fully open source and even existed before valve got involved. They just threw money at the efforts and turbo charged it (which is great).

[–] [email protected] 45 points 7 months ago (15 children)

All of the things required for games to run on Linux which valve support are fully open source and even existed before valve got involved.

Yes, which makes it even more puzzling that the competitors don't even try to capitalize on the success of Steam Deck and publish their own store on Flathub, utilizing the very same FOSS technologies to make the games run.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 7 months ago (3 children)

In an ideal world, if Gaben was a real saint, he would turn Steam into a foundation or steward-owned purpose organization before he retires, that can't be sold.

[–] toroknos_07 6 points 7 months ago

Thank for the interesting read

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm just glad GOG is surviving. It's even closer to an ideal of DRM-free games you own. I try to buy from there whenever I can.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Gog is on life support last I checked, it wasn't profitable and they had to cut headcount dramatically

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago

That was back in 21. Last year's numbers posted in May 2023 have them making a profit.

source

It's worth buying from them every chance you get. Even if they disappear you will own your games so long as you can store them, unlike every other store front, steam included.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

I found out recently GOG was created by CD project, the same company behind CD Project Red which made The Witcher and CyberPunk. Was very glad to find out about that.

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[–] fsxylo 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Steams biggest competition isn't another launcher, it's piracy. Gabe is wise enough to know that, if the next guy to take over is a chode they'll learn the hard way.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It's absolutely weird and unhealthy to celebrate it.

Gaben is old, and he's gonna retire. It'll likely be a lot sooner than anyone here is comfortable with. When Valve gets sold, or even when gaben isn't in total control anymore, things are going to start changing, and there isn't going to be a healthy, diverse marketplace to soften that.

This is it. Look at history and every major company in the past 200 years. Once the shift happens, it all goes to hell. And yet people are still shouting about some "Steam Victory" like wtf?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

Nothing lasts forever, but occasionally things can hang on for awhile. Nintendo isn't quite the beloved company they were a few decades ago, but they've been doing ok for the past ~130 years.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

I agree with all your points... but... IMHO some things keeping Steam honest are services like GoG and if course the High Seas, but more than that there's the plethora of other entertainment options.

This isn't housing, air, or water. A person can just not play if it's too much hassle or too costly. If Steam or any given entertainment option isn't worth using, people just won't. There's no shortage of things to do other than play games, much less use Steam for gaming.

I agree that we shouldn't imagine Steam will never change, nor should we blindly worship or glorify Valve/GabeN. I just think that games and entertainment generally is an arena where market forces actually work to benefit the consumer.

Of course employment practices and company culture is a whole 'nother thing...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

There is a very good chance that the PC platform will be a really horrible place because of the lack of consumer choice in which they can purchase and play games.

I agree with the sentiment that Steam will eventually have a shitification, but I remain optimistic because the PC platform is more open than mobile platforms.

GOG and Humble are existing, smaller stores. Microsoft had three stores they use to sell and install games. Half of the FAANG companies would love to get in on this space if an opportunity showed itself. If we get past high interest rates, I can see VCs getting in on this space.

It won't be pretty and we can support smaller options now. But I don't think it'll be horrible.

[–] Kecessa 9 points 7 months ago (4 children)

It is technically a monopoly, you don't need 100% market share to be considered one otherwise Google wouldn't be considered a monopoly but it is.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

One day, Valve will be under different ownership, and we will regret the time we fought for their monopoly.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

It's just fanboyism. Everyone shits on PS and Xbox users, but PC gamers weren't privy to the fact that the PC master race trope was meant mockingly and kinda just ran with it. Now they stan a corporation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

I know Steam isn’t a technical monopoly. We don’t need to have that discussion

That's one way to swat away all criticism about the premise of your comment....

When Valve gets sold, or even when gaben isn’t in total control anymore, things are going to start changing, and there isn’t going to be a healthy, diverse marketplace to soften that.

Considering the fact that Steam is not a monopoly and alternate storefronts continue to exist (Microsoft will not stop selling games individually on their own store even if it's just an afterthought to GamePass but it's the same platform as GamePass), there will be alternatives to Steam if Valve turns anti-consumer. There is little actual loyalty among gamers. Just look at Blizzard: At one point their customer base was almost as die hard as Nintendo's and it took only a couple of years to throw that away. (I noticed it when the audience actually booed at the Diablo Immortal reveal.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yep.

People fanboy over Steam endlessly without realizing that with time, it will turn to shit as well.

More competition is good, and maybe Epic is shit today but if their leadership changes then maybe it could actually significantly improve and surpass Steam.

But if it doesn't exist, then if Steam turns to shit then you're much more likely to just be stuck with shit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I guess we'll see how this shakes out in the coming years. God willing, not much will change.

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