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[–] [email protected] 57 points 11 months ago (20 children)

Here's the question, when we talk about China the country, are we talking about the Chinese people, or their government? Because I have very different answers for the two.

I've grown up with and worked with Chinese Americans, both from mainland China and Taiwan. I want to see them have freedom of speech and expression and ability to criticize the government, so I have to be adversarial to the CCP. I can't imagine liking Chinese people and the CCP simultaneously, knowing what the party does -- I want the latter reformed so the former can thrive.

I also think there's a lot of innovation for the human race as a whole if China and the US are rivals, not adversaries. Friendly competition leads to scientific advancements without compromising on joint research and efforts.

[–] MarcoPOLO -5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you like people not being poor, you like the CPC

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hitler and Putin also lifted a lot of people out of poverty and addressed terrible economies. They provided stability.

That in no way however means that they are supported by people who want to eliminate poverty.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The thing is those examples you gave really are not comparable to the massive and sustained economic growth China has experienced since their economic reforms in the late 80s. Putin has only overseen a modest economic recovery following the disaster that was economic shock therapy in the 90s. As for Hitler, he provided the German economy with whatever you would call the exact opposite of stability.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

I believe Putin's appeal is having led the country out of that economic disaster, so even though there isn't massive growth under him, he was elected and maintained power for taking them out of the very bad times.

I should've clarified my comment on Hitler a bit, because you're right there haha. Similar to Putin, Hitler got Germany out of their economic disaster. That recovery is what actually got him Time person of the year. Everyone's well aware what followed however.

There's a phenomenon where the leader at the end of an economic crisis, or a leader jumpstarting their economy, gets very high support. That leader though isn't infallible. Hitler drove Germany to ruin, and Putin has caused devastating damage to Russia.

My point in all this -- getting a good economy does not necessarily mean a politician or political entity will always do the best for their country. In this case, I think invading Taiwan would be the beginning of their end.

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