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[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Just wish they'd make these things a bit more affordable. Taking the train to Paris or London with my family is literally twice the price of flying and god knows how many times driving. I'd much rather take the train.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The train takes you right in the city centre though. If you fly you usually have to buy an extra train ticket to get to your actual destination.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Fair point. But it would still be way better if it was cheaper.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Oh yes, of course. You would think operating a train would be cheaper than flying if you excluded the initial capital investment costs of actually building the line.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but it doesn't double the cost. We usually end up just driving which is even cheaper than flying, even including the crazy parking costs. And relatively low carbon compared to flying. Taking the train would make it very hard to justify the cost.

[–] freebee 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

A car with most or all seats taken is usually not that bad in carbon footprint, it's very different from the 1 person per car with 4 empty seats in a daily commute footprint. For me, longer distance, the train is just a lot more comfortable than a car (if you don't have to switch trains too often).

[–] freebee 1 points 11 months ago

On many routes within Germany, ICE is actually the best price/comfort deal imo. Trains always suck when crossing borders somehow.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you think of it in terms of carbon footprint and what your children's future is worth to you, then the train wins no contest.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

Sure but they may also think in terms of what’s possible. Perhaps they can’t afford to pay double for a vacation.