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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The best ones are thoughts that many people can relate to and they find something funny or interesting in regular stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 169 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (29 children)

Not so funny when it actually happens to you:

Because of really bad experiences with alcoholics as a child, I am afraid of people who drink. My psychologist and my doctor wrote that down.

When I became seriously ill and could no longer work in my old job, I had to retrain. To do this, you have to go to the German employment office and get an assessment of your strengths and weaknesses, including what your doctor and therapist have to say.

They read the paper from my doctor and my psychologist, but just skimmed over the words and decided that because the word "alcoholic" was there, I must be the alcoholic. They told me that I could get paid retraining and benefits, but only if I attended a therapy group for alcoholics once a week - me, who is afraid of alcoholics because of the abuse I suffered as a child. .... I immediately started crying and swore that I had no problem with alcohol, only with alcoholics!

It took 6 months to get someone at the job centre to actually read the papers word for word to find out that me saying "I'm not an alcoholic" was not me being an alcoholic in denial. I got a half-assed apology and my retraining 6 months after I could have started it because of this. Not to mention that every time I refused to go to AA meetings they threatened to take away my benefits and I was in such a bad mental state that I probably would have killed myself without the help of my family. Oh, and my family who tried to intervene were labelled as co-alcoholics, holding me back.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 8 months ago (26 children)

They do AA in Germany? I thought that pseudo science was just an American thing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (13 children)

Group therapy is pseudo-science?

[–] [email protected] 42 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Others have mentioned it, but to elaborate, Alcoholics Anonymous is not merely sitting in a circle and sharing your problems, but a belief system which requires you to submit to a higher power to move forward.

[–] medusa 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Knew a guy who insisted he wasn't addicted, but he can't go a day without attending an AA meeting. 40 years, non stop. Even when in other countries for work, he finds them. Left his own daughters wedding dinner to make it to one.

He runs his own chapter where he lives. He's had people follow the steps, sure, but some don't. No matter how successful the latter are, he tears them apart for "not doing it right" and has turned his back on them for not following how he did it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

My favorite quote on fanaticism applies here:

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim" - George Santayana

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I didn't know you could be addicted to AA meetings. I guess alcohol is a gateway drug to AA meetings, lol.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's 12 step. Not all AA is 12 step.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Almost All... But yes in recent years AA has tried to distance itself from the higher power ( God) rhetoric.

AA is somewhat decentralized, and you will have splinter groups.

Also to clarify, 12 step is a process created by the founders of AA. It's not a separate thing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The process still involves relinquishing your will power and deferring to an higher/outside power. Incredibly cult like behavior. You should be raising a person's will power. Hyping the hell out of them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Oh I absolutely agree, the manipulation techniques used, are still the same ones religions use to control their congregations.

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