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"If Putin wins in Ukraine, there is real risk that his aggression will not end there. Our support is not charity. It is an investment in our security," - NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg.

"The only way to reach a just and lasting solution is to convince President Putin that they will not win on the battlefield," @jensstoltenberg continued.

"And the only way to ensure that President Putin realises that he is not winning on the battlefield is to continue to support Ukraine."

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

A lot of people either never saw or have forgotten the statements and clues that Russia does not plan to stop.

They've repeatedly said they want to take back the Baltic countries. That's why there's an American unit stationed there now. Invasion plans included Moldova. Every border country except Hungary has reported Russian attempts to create civil unrest.

It's obvious the Russians think they can avoid an article 5 declaration by having a country "voluntarily" leave NATO and join CSTO. This was in fact their plan for Ukraine, just with the EU instead. Their puppet got elected with massive amounts of misinformation, a vulnerable incumbent (his corruption was exposed), and promises to keep the country in the process of joining the EU. It was the reversal of joining the EU to instead sign treaties with Russia that triggered the Maidan. And then Putin reacted with Crimea and the Donbas region.

That's also part of a very old Russian playbook meant to keep countries from joining NATO. Because NATO doesn't allow countries to join if they have territorial disputes going on. That's why so many Eastern European countries have territorial disputes with Russian aligned separatists.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You're completely correct. That said, and being Finnish, they can fucking try to bring it. We even have the correct amount of snow atm.

Joking aside, nobody sane wants ww3, but if we had to we'd show them another thing altogether.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Finns keeping the cocktails ready