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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Pretty cool. I keep saying that this is a win for open standards and Meta probably does this to appease EU regulators. It's no surprise that this happens as Threads launches In Europe.

[–] pelespirit 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yep, can't wait to be able to personally defederate from them, I hope that option comes soon.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I see it as an opportunity to tell people on Threads to leave Threads and use an open platform, such as Mastodon, instead. Then eventually Threads will shut down, because everyone moved :D

[–] pelespirit 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Won't they have control over their instance though? I'm sure they're going to run it like Reddit and shadow ban the shit out of their users and also not let them see certain stuff.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Far more likely to lean on their infrastructure advantage and add things like image and video hosting on-platform that the Fediverse can't do now.

Then once secured, they can defederate from the actual fediverse and take the whole thing private.

[–] pelespirit 6 points 1 year ago

or all of the above.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Ok but we wouldn't really be losing anyone though, just threads users who wouldn't have been here anyways

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

people don’t join because complicated

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

You mean as instance blocking? Because the Lemmy devs have stated that it's not going to work the way everybody's assuming it's going to work.

So far the way that it's been laid out it'll only block communities on that Lemmy Instance, users will not be filtered.

That's ignoring the fact that Lemmy's blocking system is already flawed in it's design and isn't really an effective tool against malicious users.

So we really shouldn't treat blocking even of instances as personal defederation, because it isn't and unless something really changes and Lemmy's development it never will be. You can on Mastodon because Mastodon's blocking system is much harsher as well as the fact that federation highly depends on following, but lemmy works much differently and also has a significantly weaker blocking system (I should also add it does not respect mastodon's blocking system) so because of that being able to block instances should not and cannot be considered an alternative to defederation, especially when it comes to malicious instances.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Agreed. Instances always have the option to defederate with Threads should it prove spammy or ad-filled or socially awful, but I'm cautiously optimistic that Threads will pave the way for a more open social media paradigm in general. Decentralization is a core tenet of Web3, and everyone started focusing on the block chain and Bitcoins and whatnot but there's so much more to decentralization than that.

[–] pelespirit 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why in the world are you cautiously optimistic? What would give you the idea that meta would do anything but what's in their shareholder's interest. My biggest question is, do we know if activitypub is secure enough to keep them out of its software?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don’t think it’s fair to preemptively assume meta is going to be evil here, where is the evidence?

If a bear was charging you that you had just watched murder a bunch of people would you just assume it was going to attack you? What evidence would you have for that?

Personally, I think large tech corporations have a wonderful track record with treating the public commons as a shared resource to nurture and maintain not a coal vein in the ground to ruthlessly extract :)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Though this is more federation with a wheel and spoke model than true decentralization where each pier communicates with other piers directly. Each have their place for sure, but they cannot be interchanged because they are not the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty cool at first glance. Not so cool when they have pulled in enough users and then remove the federation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

They have orders of magnitude more users than all Mastodon instances combined already.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'm looking forward to federation. My stance on it is that I don't want to use Threads, but I want to follow and interact with the people who do. Best of both worlds like this.