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I’m not going to criticize the project, because it’s good. But, to me, using anything that gives Google an edge in controlling the direction of technology is bad. So, no Chromium products and no Android.
I despise Google, and I agree with chromium, but when the only other alternative is using the proprietary walled garden that is iOS, I'll take degoogled Android everyday.
What can android do that you actually do that iOS cannot?
For starters, you can degoogle Android, you can't deapple iOS.
You can replace the manufacturer android with a clean, free software and secure Android ROM, like GrapheneOS. iOS is a black box, fully proprietary and controlled by Apple.
You can install apps from third parties on Android, like F-Droid. On iOS every app must be approved by Apple.
You can't use an iPhone without an Apple account, you can use Android without a Google account.
Android has multiple profiles support, which comes handy for completely isolating apps from the rest of your phone.
There's much, much more. That's just what came to my mind right now.
How can I download apps (not side load) from a store (play store for example) without having a Google account?
You need a Google account just for the Play Store, given that it's a Google product.
You can download apps from other stores just fine: install F-Droid for example, or Amazon which has their own app repository too, and you'll be able to download and install apps from there. (I don't recommend using Amazon, it's just an example)
For apps on the Play Store, you can use Aurora Store which proxies the Google Store and does not require a Google account.
And you can prove that the binaries I receive are the binaries from the developer?
F-Droid has reproducible builds, so definitely yes. You can even check the exact code used to build every app on F-Droid.
The rest of stores, it depends. Every store has their own policy and the only one I recommend is using F-Droid or downloading directly from the devs' website or Github repo. There's an app to automate this process for updates too, so it's actually a quite good method.
“deapple iOS”
Why would I want to make a secure device less secure tho
stop consuming Apple marketing.
I like phone and do not use google. Not much needs to be marketed to me lawl
Personally, I like using the terminal on my phone, and the only terminal I found for iOS is extremely slow because its emulating linux.
You mean locally or for ssh?
I use it locally.
What sort of things do you want to do locally on your phone that you need the command line for?
Simple terminal applications like
pingorcurloryt-dlp. I also like usingpython -m http.serverto access my files over the local internet.w3msometimes works when my mobile data is very slow and can't load web pages. I also do usessha lot. I don't need it if I have ansshapp but it is nice to have, and I switched to android for it.For a regular user… basically nothing.
I quit google products and services a decade ago, so I was “relegated” to iOS, which… does basically the same exact fucking thing but better in every way. It’s spendy though. I also like their privacy stance, which is “we cost a lot but we’re not selling all of your data to advertisers”
I have not found a single thing I can’t do on iOS that I COULD on Android.
People spout WaLLeD GaRdEn and what I read is “privacy” and I’m in
They’ll complain about unauthorized developers…. Which I wouldn’t want anyway.