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Given the current state of partisan polarization, it’s unlikely Biden can get majority job approval next year even with the most fortunate set of circumstances. But the good news for him is that he probably doesn’t have to. Job-approval ratings are crucial indicators in a normal presidential reelection cycle that is basically a referendum on the incumbent’s record. Assuming Trump is the Republican nominee, 2024 will not be a normal reelection cycle for three reasons.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Fine. I’ll pretend for one more comment that you’re not arguing in bad faith.

Jesus, aren't you a nice person to chat with.

The people I’m talking about are the Democratic Party’s centrist contingent.

Using that pic again, are you talking about the ones I highlighted here or thereabouts?

Because then you've misunderstood, I'm talking about these people

They're not the same group. The original context was people who are in the middle of the political spectrum in the US

"Not like expecting them to fall in line would’ve done anything if you’re losing a hefty chunk of the moderates. That’s what seems to decide American elections, who can claw more of the middle ground undecided voters to their side."

Now pretend that you still don’t know who I’m talking about and lie to me some more.

No I think I understand what happened here. You thought I meant Democratic party middle ground, even though I meant the whole political field in the US. Democratic party middle ground wouldn't be likely to jump ship, yeah. I'd imagine they'd be the ones happiest with the party.

You misunderstood and got mad at me lol.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Democratic party middle ground wouldn’t be likely to jump ship, yeah.

They did in 2008.

You misunderstood and got mad at me lol.

You mischaracterized what I was saying and never stopped gaslighting.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Democratic party middle ground wouldn’t be likely to jump ship, yeah.

They did in 2008.

What do you mean? 2008 United States presidential election? Didn't Obama have a hefty win in that?

From that photo, to me, it looks like they solidly got their own party behind them and plenty of the independents (which, like I said, I feel is one important aspect in winning).

You mischaracterized what I was saying and never stopped gaslighting.

I was talking about how in elections in the US, it's important to win the middle ground and undecided voters. You started talking about how that means "vote blue no matter who" were hypocrites, even though we were thinking of two different groups. Misunderstanding, those happen, it's not a huge deal. It's not gaslighting to resolve a misunderstanding lol.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What do you mean? 2008 United States presidential election? Didn’t Obama have a hefty win in that?

I addressed this already. Clinton supporters literally formed a pac to fundraise for McCain/Palin when they didn't get their first choice in the primaries. I'm glad they failed, but their failure isn't from lack of trying.

Misunderstanding, those happen, it’s not a huge deal. It’s not gaslighting to resolve a misunderstanding lol.

It wasn't a misunderstanding. You repeatedly pretended I was talking about a group that I made perfectly clear I wasn't talking about, and now you're doing the same thing about the Clinton supporters who jumped ship in 2008.

This conversation has reached its conclusion. Go gaslight someone else.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

I addressed this already. Clinton supporters literally formed a pac to fundraise for McCain/Palin when they didn't get their first choice in the primaries. I'm glad they failed, but their failure isn't from lack of trying.

Pretty interesting. There's even a Wiki article I didn't find before https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_and_liberal_support_for_John_McCain_in_2008

Not like expecting them to fall in line would’ve done anything if you’re losing a hefty chunk of the moderates.

So “vote blue no matter who” was a crock of fucking bullshit put forth by hypocrites who never intend to follow their own advice if a candidate isn’t their very first choice.

I think this was the misunderstanding. We were talking about two different groups here. Unless it was purposeful on your part. But either way, it was very confusing.

This conversation has reached its conclusion. Go gaslight someone else.

You really like that term. That and "grifter" have had such an inflation.