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They could have easily crammed the Steam Deck full of stuff to make it hard to use for piracy - locking down everything, making it usable only to play games you legitimately own, force you to go through who knows what hoops in order to play games on it. That's what Nintendo or Apple or most other companies do.

But they didn't, because they realized they didn't have to. It's 100% possible to put pirated games on the Steam Deck - in fact, it's as easy as it could reasonably be. You copy it over, you wire it up to Steam, if it's a non-Linux game you set it up with Proton or whatever else you want to use to run it, bam. You can now run it in Steam just as easily as a normal Steam game (usually.) If you want something similar to cloud saves you can even set up SyncThing for that.

But all of that is a lot of work, and after all that you still don't have automatic updates, and some games won't run this way for one reason or another even though they'll run if you own them (usually, I assume, because of Steam Deck specific tweaks or install stuff that are only used when you're running them on the Deck via the normal method.) Some of this you can work around but it's even more hoops.

Whereas if you own a game it's just push a button and play. They made legitimately owning a game more convenient than piracy, and they did it without relying on DRM or anything that restricts or annoys legitimate users at all - even if a game has a DRM-free GOG version, owning it on Steam will still make it easier to play on the Steam Deck.

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[–] [email protected] 287 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (21 children)

The steam deck is how you prevent piracy. If you look at the huge influx of streaming services, you'll see an example of how you encourage piracy. I recently dropped three of my services in favor of one pirate site that has almost everything. They even offer a subscription tier and I've considered it. I'm willing to pay for good content. What I'm not willing to do is pay dozens of middlemen across multiple companies to rip off the people who actually make my favorite shows and then memory hole the shows a few months after they premiere.

[–] epyon22 81 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Recently got a switch. Digital games are same price as physical, locked to my account/switch and saves don't move easily between devices. Steam deck, I can play on any hardware that can support it TV, PC laptop games cloud save for free. I can play online games for free. I know that games I buy today will be available in 10 years on my next PC. I only buy carts for the switch cause they give me more flexibility still not even the same as steam.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I very rarely backup game saves but only the thought of being locked to a console puts me off. I can't possibly invest 100+ hours in a Pokemon game and lose everything of the battery dies, screen breaks, console is forgotten on a bus or stolen, and so on.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Switch save files can be saved in the cloud, but the game devs have to enable it. You can also save them to an SD card.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Saved in the cloud if youre a NSO subscriber* Aint paying for the sub? Tough luck kid.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Ah, I didn't research that far into it, so good point. Although I can see the reasoning behind it from a business standpoint.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except for Pokémon games which are saved directly to the internal storage and unable to be moved unless you have the original save device (and it’s working) as well as the new device and transfer the save manually.

Splatoon is the same. Saves are locked to the system, even with NSO.

Animal crossing was the same until people raised hell about it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My point was that it's on the devs, not Nintendo. The functionality exists, devs just need to implement it.

The same was true for Steam as well, once upon a time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

the comment you replied to:

I can’t possibly invest 100+ hours in a Pokemon game and lose everything of the battery dies, screen breaks, console is forgotten on a bus or stolen, and so on.

it is nintendo’s choice disable cloud saves on pokémon. splatoon and animal crossing are both made by studios under nintendo’s umbrella, and nintendo already showed they can exert that pressure if they need to with animal crossing.

saying “it’s up to the devs, not nintendo” neither answers the complaint you replied to nor has any semantic relevance to the titles above. moreover, SD cards cannot be used for these titles.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, it's not Nintendo's choice. That's like saying it's Nvidia's choice when a game doesn't implement hardware accelerated ray tracing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

it’s not at all like that, and i’m not sure where you’re missing the boat.

nintendo has ownership stake in the developers of all the titles we’re talking about. it would be like if valve turned off cloud saves on left 4 dead 1. you’d come in to comment how it’s turtle rock’s fault that valve turned off a feature that was implemented by valve on a platform owned by valve for a game published and developed by valve.

in this analogy you’re also playing on the steam deck, so the hardware is also built by valve.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

You’re just describing pc gaming though, not specifically steam deck gaming.

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