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[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I think that's the funniest/saddest aspect of all this. My kids are half Jewish. My ex-wife is Jewish so needless to say I am well aware of the complexity of the history surrounding Israel and Palestine.

But damn if Jews have lost the plot.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Agreed, but let's use the term z*onist because there are plenty of Jews who denounce this despicable regime.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

Even the history of zionism is more complex, and it has been captured by the worst demons of the ideology.

Sure, it's inherently problematic for anyone who values the separation of state and religion, and in a modern political landscape it does read like a recipe for disaster. Based on the old testament and Jewish history however, it's easy to see the romantic appeal of Zion without it at all justifying the terrors of modern zionism.

So I agree with your point completely - I just wouldn't treat Zion as a slur. That said I also don't think zionism in its contemporary form has any legitimate role to play, and it's a cancer on the world like so many isms before it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

Well, some Jews have lost the plot, and certainly Jewish communities are not immune to the sociological conditions that drive people towards segregationist politics and even genocides.

That is to say, we all lost the plot, but we love capitalism and imperialism more than we fear watching society devolve into hate, genocide and warfare.

The IDF took to annihilating Gaza like SWAT in the US to COD gamers in poor communities. If that's not a sign to reconsider our priorities, I don't know what is. But it certainly implies we're still savage apes not ready for the big leagues of civilization and exploration.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But damn if Jews have lost the plot.

Please don't buy into the Israeli narrative that what they're doing represents all of us. I'm a Jew, but I'm not an Israeli, and recognize that Hamas and the Israeli government both suck.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Agree. I'm generalizing there and I know there's a large amount of Jews that are extremely upset and do not support Netanyahu.