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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (37 children)

This is hard because yes dogs are awesome.

But so are cows, and pigs.

I'm no vegan, but It's interesting that the revulsion line for so many is dogs rather than fellow land mammals, land creatures, or something more distinct than a mammal you find particularly cute.

I'd argue the moral judgment here largely comes from people who just plain abstain from pointing that same moral judgment to sentient creatures they do eat. A cow or a pig is no less an individual than a dog.

As for me, I am eagerly awaiting lab grown meat becoming more available as an end to our species' barbarism. Usually all I hear back is disgust at the concept. Give it a chance, for the sake of all the creatures we breed to torture and kill. If we can grow animal protein that tastes the same, that's a win for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (20 children)

We bred dogs specifically to love people and to be expressive in an innately human way, so it feels wrong to kill them. Cows, pigs, chickens, sheep, etc. were bred for food. There’s less betrayal if the idea was always to eat them.

[–] penguin 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What does betrayal have to do with the morality of killing something?

It's either right or wrong to kill something if you don't have to for survival.

If you think killing dogs is wrong, then killing cows or pigs should also be wrong.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't think it's unfair to say there's a spectrum to this. I'm not going to feel as bad with an ant dying compared to a dog

[–] penguin 1 points 1 year ago

I agree. I still eat shrimp and some fish. The fish bother me, but not enough to stop eating them, and the shrimp don't bother me cause they're basically underwater crickets.

For example killing an elephant is worse than killing a chicken. And everyone draws the line somewhere already (unless you're fine with eating endangered animals and even cannibalism). It's just where does your own morality draw the line at what level of creature it's ok to ask to die for your next meal?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not sure that an ant is relevant to this discussion, since it’s not really similar to a cow, pig, dog, cat, etc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Curious to where the line is drawn then? And who determines that?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You’re talking about morality and I’m considering people’s feelings, however convoluted they might be. It’s not a moral issue, it’s marketing.

[–] penguin 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is killing a person a moral issue, or is that also simply marketing?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your food and clothing likely involved slavery directly and murder by less than a degree of separation, you goober. Yes, it’s a marketing issue.

[–] penguin 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Clothing doesn't require the death of anyone the same way eating meat does.

One it's possible to be cruelty free, and the other is not.

Also, if I knew for a fact that a company committed acts of evil, I would avoid them as best I could, just like I do with meat.

Complaining that eating meat is not actually wrong, it's just marketing, is just a laughable way to look at ethics and empathy.

Lastly, whataboutism is a joke of a defence.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You’ve said quite a bit to this vegetarian-since-you-were-an-egg that I processed well over a decade ago. I want you, if you don’t mind, to read my other replies and to reread the question I responded to. And with the most belabored sigh that you can imagine, can I say please?

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