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[–] [email protected] 226 points 1 year ago (4 children)

In their defence, it is a difficult concept to grasp. My dad started his career shovelling gravel for a few dollars an hour. Now he's a vice president making very good money. In his mind, anyone can replicate what he did by working hard instead of being lazy and asking for handouts.

I eventually got through to him one day when he was talking about hiring for a senior management position. He was interviewing all these people with fancy degrees and credentials. I asked why not promote one of his hard workers? He laughed and said the person needs to be more than a hard worker to manage multi-million dollar projects. But where would he be now if his old boss had thought the same thing? My dad has none of the credentials of the people he was interviewing. He'd still be shovelling gravel 60 hours a week for minimum wage if nobody gave him the opportunity to advance. How could he think hard work will be rewarded when he doesn't even reward it himself? That's when he admitted the world works differently now.

[–] [email protected] 103 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I read one story the young adult finally convinced his dad when he showed him a job posting for his old job. It payed less than when he had it, not even accounting for inflation.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I remember that story and can relate. It took showing my parents the cost of my tuition at a university now and comparing it to when they were 18, then doing the same for the yearly wage of a fast food worker, before they realized that cost inflation has out-paced wage inflation by a crazy amount and no, people can't just sustain themselves through college to get a leg up in society.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I was searching for apartments a few years ago when I still lived with my parents. My Dad was frustrated with my search taking so long (basically accusing me of dragging my feet) asked me why I kept saying I couldn't afford to live in any of the places near where we lived / my workplace (I live in one of the highest cost of living states in America). I made a bet with him that if he could find me an apartment that was within my budget of $2,200/month within a week, I would sign the lease and move out as soon as they would let me move in. If he couldn't, he had to admit that finding an apartment in this area in this economy was not as easy as it was when he was my age (I was originally going to ask him to pay me $500 if he lost the wager, but he backed down from that so I took away any monetary incentive and just went for the moral victory instead).

Of course, three days after we made the bet, he came back to me and said "What happened to all the apartments that used to cost $800/month? These leases are more than what we pay for our mortgage!". Somehow, he was still living in a reality so far removed from our own that he had no idea just how bad things had gotten.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There was something a while ago where people were worried in the 70s-90s (can't remember the decade) where house prices had increased to 1.8x to 2.7x the Average annual income and were unaffordable.

So... yeah....

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I’d love to see a source on this because it’s believable and insane

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Outside the US college is sometimes stilll a good path. I've seen people blow it (useless degrees with no plan to get a job with it, etc.). but if you pick the right field it helps a lot.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even still, weren't their dozens of people shoveling gravel and only a couple of vice presidents? The pyramid structure of corporations imply that not everyone can go from the entry level work to the c suite. It's an attrition and numbers game.

Plus, most companies now outsource their grunt work. The janitor cannot become the CEO anymore, because the janitor is a contracted worker, making minimum wage, not invited to the Christmas party, and prevented from speaking to anybody in a position of authority.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Oh, yes, the contractors, not-exactly-people existing only when convenient. And the conditions for them are usually bad even when their manager tries to improve those, because tops see no additional value in improving conditions for someone that doesn't ~~exist~~ work in the main corp

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"The world works differently now" is cope. He doesn't want to admit he pulled the ladder up behind him so it's society's fault.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You really think OP’s dad is running the show?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Running the show? What is that supposed to mean? Of course he's not the king of the entire world but neither is anyone else.