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this post was submitted on 13 Nov 2023
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Can HBs just not ignore this slop? This happens like every 2 months, someone shows up says some bad faith shit, we post and dunk all over it, they take what we said and make more posts out of it in bad faith, we post and dunk again, over and over. Can't we realize that this is just narcissism being narcissism, ignore and block? This post would have had like 4 responses if we hadn't engaged. Instead we are just running a fucking wrecker training camp. Don't give them any oxygen and let them crawl back to
idk not trying to be unfair it just seems kind of obvious what is going on
Well, well, we've gone from radlib, to shitlib to stormfront in record time. Par for the course of course, but please do ignore me in the future.
that stormfront emote is referring to reddit
I was talking about a pattern of posting behavior that I've noticed that seeks a kind of recursive negative attention. The stormfront emoji is a reference to reddit. I haven't seen any racist or white supremacist comments from you. I would also take it personally if I thought that was what I was being accused of, so I understand. But my post says to "crawl back to reddit" I forgot you can't see my emojis. I didn't come here to insult you, I just find it funny that we do this every few months.
Edit: nvm maybe you can see that it is a reddit logo and you are just choosing to interpret it that way. In any case I'm concerned that you might be upsetting yourself over things that aren't important. You should try to get more sleep, drink more water, and find a way to spend your free time that is more positive than whatever this is
No I see only stormfront on my end. I had no idea this is reference to reddit. I do recognise this is in reddit style but I didn't make thats connection.
But what pattern of the posting behaviour do you see from me? I don't think I ever posted about hexbear ever and I certainly haven't been trying to attract brigades like this.
Well, I wouldn't expect anyone to consciously admit that they are trying to "attract brigades," and I don't want to get mired in psychoanalysis, since I'm trying not to be unfair. Since I'm talking to you directly, imo it seems like this isn't really about you. This has all of the markings of a hexbear struggle session, and let's just say that certain (likely bad-faith) characters have been more than happy becoming the subject of those sessions.
I have been on the receiving end of this kind of thing before, not to this level, but its hard not to take it personally. but also your meme really sucks. That being said, I've met some MLs who have been just as dogmatically and ahistorically committed to an anti-anarchist position, and plenty of anarchists who would agree with this meme. So this doesn't exist in a vacuum, there is a history of struggles that communists and anarchists have found themselves willingly or unwillingly on different sides of. But reckoning with that long history of struggle is anathema to the point of this meme, as well as dogmatic opponents of anarchism on our side of the anarcho/commie split. All of these tendencies try to flatten history into memes and then tries to defend the history that the medium has just eradicated, and its in itself a disastrous way to confront and engage with history. But I come from a tradition that actually reads history and struggles with it, and chooses to hold the contradictions as inevitable rather than degenerating into vulgar campism. I wish I could get more comrades to engage with history in good faith instead of just picking out discrete decontextualized quotes and events to support whatever their beliefs are,but we all have liberal brainworms we are working through and I'm not going to pretend I have the magic solution that is going to bring about the idealized anarcho-commune.
I think there are ways to work together, I work with anarchists in my organizing and I would never betray them like this and frankly resent the implication that I would. I'm not sure if that's the nerve you touched with everyone here, I don't really care. I just wish this shitpost wasn't getting all this attention, but not often have any of my wishes for the left come true
I do think the hexbears took the meme a bit too literally for a meme. It's pretty low quality, wojaks and all and I was and am perfectly happy for people to deconstruct it and argue against it. I only didn't have the time to debate or the mood to be interrogated. And thats infuriated the hexbears.
About the subject matter, While I believe you wouldn't ever betray your comrades as it is now, this kind of thing never happens one day to the next. I don't think Stalin in 1917 ever thought he'd send hired assassin's after Trotsky. But the methods and praxis that MLs use invariably lead to this sort of decisions.
You all think I'm calling you all secret murderers, I'm not. I don't think any of you has nothing but the best intentions for your anarchist comrades, but I'm saying that your praxis will inevitably lead to it. I'm not even being novel here. Bakunin was saying the same thing.
I'm not any more an ML than I am an anarchist. Im a communist, but that doesn't make me an ML. I told you I come from a unique tradition, please respect that. I agree with you that there were certain decisions made during the Russian revolution that, when crystallized into dogma (which it has in some glaring cases), would lead to the sort of thing that you are talking about. But if I had to guess, you wouldn't be a reliable source for historical context from that era anyway.
You don't know the first thing about my praxis. The side that is doing the purges is not the side that I am on. Please stop trying to flatten everything and everyone to fit into your shit post. I promise you, if you stay on this path you will end up doing great psychic damage to yourself. I know its hard to deal with historic contradiction but that's not an excuse. History is calling us to do better, to create the conditions that will bring about the commune, not turn everything into memes. Ask yourself what you are getting out of this. Try to step outside your ego, I'll try to do the same
But you're right, I probably should just ignore you. Cheers.
Sorry, I used a "you" where I meant to use "ML".
Even the MLs that I was describing are a tiny minority of comrades who just have to grow and learn. 99% of HBs are actual comrades who live and die by this shit.
Again, flattening everything down to fit your narrative. You're only harming yourself with this
Now hold on a second, mate. Did you even read what I wrote? Who did I flatten? If anything I agreed with you about your characters.
I'm just not going to be party to intellectual McCarthyism and badmouthing other commies