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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Are they going to prison for exposing animal cruelty, or is it just committing crimes in service of the goal of exposing animal cruelty? I bet I know which.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They are stealing sick animals of no commercial value in order to render medical aid. In cases where they have actually gone to trial for theft, they have won, because they show jurors footage of the awful condition these stolen animals were in.

Which was why the prosecutors dropped the theft charges, put a gag order on the footage, and instead threw a “felony conspiracy to commit trespassing” charge at the leader of the group, who didn’t even participate directly in stealing the animals.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well, due to ag gag laws, you're committing a crime by exposing animal cruelty. So.

Oopsie woopsie, guess we don’t like knowing that, huh

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not subject to a gag law... I don't even know what the statement means. I'm also not a journalist, or the subject of a court case, so it's unlikely to have any impact to post comments on Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sorry, you misunderstood what I meant by “you’re.” I could have said “one is” to better avoid miscommunication. Anyway, look up some info on ag gag laws and then think about your original comment within the context of your new understanding of what is a crime in the USA.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So freeing livestock is a crime in your eyes?

[–] ImFresh3x 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My eyes don’t define crime. That’s not how it works. The law defines it. And the court looks at the law. I’m not a child so I understand this.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do you consider Harriet Tubman a criminal too?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Ethically no, legally yes?

That's sort of just how laws work. Legal doesn't mean good.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's what makes her brave. We just don't say she was arrested for "speaking truth to power" or any other sensational nonsense. We say she was arrested for the crime she committed because it makes you think about why that's even a crime.

Honestly, I believe the vast majority of effective and meaningful protests will involve a crime. Usually, some form of vandalism/trespassing all the way up to theft. We hope not violence against people but sometimes counter protests force hands.

I just think it's important to own it (I mean, dont confess and get yourself arrested needlessly LOL) because that's part of the deal. Things rarely happen when everyone is nice and cordial.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So why do we need to differentiate between "arrested for exposing abuse" and "arrested for breaking unjust laws in the process of exposing abuse"?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Because that's how honesty works. My two phrases were similar, but the headline wasn't accurate to the truth.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exactly. Some people think that if you have an altruistic goal, you’re exempt from the rules everyone else has to follow.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, I actually agree that there are laws worth breaking for protest. I just dislike sensational headlines.

It's the fact that you are willing to face those charges that makes the act powerful. But phrasing it in a way that makes it look like you are in a totalitarian state, and being punished for speech instead of the crime actually committed does the movement a disservice, as you start erecting your own strawman for people to knock down.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They’re not punished for the speech, they’re punished for breaking the law.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Correct. That's what I said.