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I’m definitely more of a progressive than a democrat and I may not like Biden much, but I’ll sure as shit vote for him to prevent another Trump term. I feel like the media is trying to create a crisis here.
Not just the media but also... Am I the only one frustrated by the amount of "voting for Biden is dumb" posts on Lemmy? Yeah, he sucks, I don't like him. He's basically a 1950s Republican from back when they at least pretended to have some standards and acted like the government could occasionally do things. That's not inspiring.
But what's the play here? Don't vote at all? Vote for Trump but ironically? I don't get it. Voting is NOT the only thing you can do, and it's not the only thing you SHOULD be doing, but it's still a thing you absolutely should do.
That may work for us, but we absolutely need to get some people excited and motivated, or they'll just stay home, handing the election to Trump...
Oh no, there is a crisis.
It's an incredibly idiotic one. But it exists.
The problem here is you are voting because you are afraid of a Trump second term rather than voting for a candidate that is qualified for the position.
If you are more of an independent and look at a crazy person on one side and a senile sun downing person on the other the choice is more of a 50 50.
The Democrats are playing with fire and doing undemocratic plays to keep viable candidates out of the race and hide a compromised Biden instead of having an open primary and that might cost all of regardless of who actually wins.
I'm not playing down the seriousness of Trump's actions. I'm just making the case that even with Trump on trial right now he's leading in polls because Biden is so out of touch with what the base needs right now. It's so bad that other prominent Democrats are calling out their own party and asking Biden to step down because they see it's a liability.
My point is independents see both parties and candidates and the party in power are making it so Biden who is unpopular is the default to the point they are taking away Iowa's first super Tuesday as a primary state.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/01/us/politics/biden-dnc-primary-south-carolina-2024.html
The reason why is they don't any potential primary candidate to work up the ranks, which is undemocratic.
Whoa, wait, you mean Trump in in touch with what the everyday joe needs?
That's a deeper question and not what I was talking about but as a fake populist? Yeah, in the eyes of his base. He's really good at messaging and straight up lying about being pro worker and for the people.
I feel the current administration has done tangible things policy wise to help people but the Democrats don't know how to take a victory lap when they accomplish these achievements.
I think the general population, indicated by recent polls, think Biden is too old and not up to do a second term. They want anybody else to run against Trump.
the issue is you are thinking I'm cheerleading Trump and that's not my intention. Im pointing out that there is voting block that is ready to sit out over the lack of enthusiasm for Biden and hatred for the political institutions that haven't helped the average voter over the years.
It's how Trump got elected in the first place.
I think it's already a disservice that we're allowing this to be the narrative. Biden is certainly no spring chicken, but he's nowhere close to "sun-downing" or "old man screaming at clouds" and this narrative only works because republicans are better at messaging by a mile, and Biden has and has had a stutter his entire life.
And though he's no where near progressive enough for my tastes, he's probably got the most progressive record of just about any modern president.
Tbh if we want to get somewhere, we'd stop letting Republican talking points turn into the framing for everyone else. The topic of Biden's age now dominates any discussion about him on either side, as if Trump isn't basically the same age, and actually frequently showing more and more real signs of senility, never mind the whole "criminal, rapist, insurrectionist, traitor using state secrets to curry favor."
Hiliary's loss can be chalked up to similar reasons, of course tossing in a hefty, heft dose of misogyny. We let RBF and "but her emails" turn into this mess.
Like, why are we doing far right republican's messaging for them?
Well I’m not an independent and I completely disagree that the choice is 50/50. I have seen what Trump did to this country and I believe it is vital that we do not allow him to have a second term. There are plenty of issues with Biden but they pale in comparison to what Trump will do if re-elected. You are damn right I’m afraid of a second term with him. He almost destroyed our democracy during his first term. Just look at the shit he is outright saying he will do if re-elected.
Okay but the other side is a senile sundowning crazy person. We act like Biden is so much older than Trump but it's only three years.
Anyone ever see the orange Mussolini on a bicycle?
It’s really not that close though, when the crazy person has such a history of fraud and corruption, is such a danger to our country, our society, has been so dividing, whose policies are responsible for so many pandemic deaths, so beholden to corporate interests and foreign dictators, etc. His approach to governing is a three year old throwing a tantrum and smashing Lego sets