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[–] [email protected] 129 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Apple is 100% correct. It's the entire reason Android exists.

Then again, Apple also does a fair bit of data collection. I hate that Apple has been able to market themselves as some kind of bastion of privacy. They aren't.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Apple is 100% correct. It’s the entire reason Android exists.

Then again, Apple also does a fair bit of data collection. I hate that Apple has been able to market themselves as some kind of bastion of privacy. They aren’t.

So Apple is not 100% correct. They are 50% correct because the second half of their claim is that Apple is somehow different and not tracking its users...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

When the pot calls the kettle black, it is technically correct.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

Actually, the reason Android exists isn't so one-dimensional.

  • The company Android was initially concerned more with Microsoft dominating phones like they did computers at the time, before being bought by Google
  • They created two prototype chains initially, one touch, one that was more akin to BlackBerry
  • iPhone came out, they ditched the BlackBerry-esque one and focused on what became now Android

Google was mostly just doing what all tech companies were doing at the time, trying to compete in a mobile arms race for dominance. The data tracking was just a bonus. Appeasing shareholders is paramount. Look at how Apple created an Alexa speaker just because they had to as another example of this type of behavior.

Also, Apple actually has a long history of tracking user behavior that predates both Android and the iPhone.

Apple apps since some time shortly after the inception of OS X would (and likely still do) phone home to configuration.apple.com to send apple metrics on usage. Earlier variations of LittleSnitch could actually block this collection behavior.

Apple has since reconfigured the network stack to guarantee that direct encrypted connections to Apple are always possible above any VPN, or other type of network filter connection. So there's no way to prevent communication with Apple on an Apple product at all now short of keeping it off the Internet or blocking DNS to 17.* IP addresses, which would only work on a network one has control over.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I believe the reason Google acquired Android was to make sure that Apple didn't dominate the mobile device landscape, which would be a threat to their ad business. The data collection was just a nice side-effect, from their perspective.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think you underestimate how early Google acquired Android. In 2005, Apple wasn't even in the mobile device market. Nokia were the dominant handset in those days.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

This. If anything, they wanted to claw back some of that Blackberry market. Apple wasn't even on anybody's mind yet on the mobile side of things.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

All cell phones are tracking devices. Unless you faraday cage them. But yes, both apple and Android phones give out way more information than just that. And I definitely would not say that I would trust Apple more with data that I would Google.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Genuine question: in what ways do Apple track iOS users (that cannot be turned off)?

I’m of the viewpoint that most tracking can be rather easily be turned off, and that android plays in a totally other ballpark here. But I might very well be wrong.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

They both track you fairly closely. There are no winners if you are primarily concerned about privacy. Google is simply more open about it, and provides more access to that data to you (like timeline and takeout).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

A list from elsewhere in the thread: https://lemdro.id/comment/3314038