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I've heard of the general toxicity years ago already, but I will take no part in this drama and use whatever system fits the bill
Very toxic and rude community for sure.
Well, I do oppose this kind of behaviour, but I also want to use a system that fits my needs.
So what should I do? Making more people aware of issues is often the best we can realistically hope for.
Okay, first of all: Chill, and let me lay out an observation here.
You are very passionate about that topic, maybe a little too much. The way you talk about it is too heated, and gives people the idea that a civil discussion might not be possible.
The fact that you immediately start conspiring about where your downvotes come from doesn't make it any better.
Now, the issues you describe are very much real, and a problem. There are merits and downfalls in each project, each one handles these differently, and it is for us to decide how to react to that.
So, you're saying that as a reaction, I should neither use Graphene nor DivestOS, am I understanding this correctly?
What then? Compromise my privacy by using less optimal systems? Why would I do that?
Doing things out of principle vs doing them out of practical use is something this community is quite aware of, isn't it. Sometimes the decision isn't easy, sometimes it is.
Marketing, lies and deception aside, what is the most secure and private Android system?
That is the most elaborate way of dancing around a simple answer I have ever seen, I am impressed.
See, I genuinely appreciate the thought behind that. It's just that the way you word things sounds like an uncomfortable mix between aggressive, a dash of condescending, and getting worked up about others not accepting „the one truth“, so to speak.
Again, I appreciate trying to raise awareness.
But firstly, roll back and try other ways of doing it, and secondly, you can't force decisions on others.
You have to because you are XY political affiliation
No, just stop saying stuff like that. Seriously, it doesn't do you or your cause any favours.
Didn't Micay announce in May that he was going to step down as lead developer and head of the foundation?
Still though, him being a massive dick doesn't mean Graphene is a bad system all of a sudden. As I said before, it's a case of personal principles vs practical use, and people will decide whatever they'll decide.
People are complex, and this kind of decision-making simply isn't as black and white as you'd like it to be. (And don't get me wrong here, there certainly are many situations where it should be)
Anyway, I guess you'll be happy to hear that sustainability and repairability in form of a Fairphone is ultimately more important to me than being able to use Graphene.
That's likely the route I'll be going whenever DivestOS doesn't support my device anymore.
These are not the same community. The actual free software community has been a thing for 40 years, and the privacy/security people spend as much time attacking free software as they do big tech. I've come to believe no security or privacy guy is trustworthy in the free software space. Reject Rossman, return to Stallman.
edit: security guys will say "free software isn't always more secure!" and privacy guys will say "freedom, what is this freedom? it has no internet access, that's the only thing that matters!" and meanwhile stuff like WEI is being implemented, that we've been warning about for the last 40 years. The security and privacy guys will say you don't need freedom, just the "best tool for the job" - Chrome was the best browser when it came out, now it's being used to subjugate the free web. WEI is the end result of treating freedom as a second thought behind security.
I don't think graphememe is all that great either I tried it once a few yrs back and hardly any apps worked that I need and everything was slow af.