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SystemD is blamed for long boot times and being heavy and bloated on resources. I tried OpenRC and Runit on real hardware (Ryzen 5000-series laptop) for week each and saw only 1 second faster boot time.

I'm old enough to remember plymouth.service (graphical image) being the most slowest service on boot in Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04. But I don't see that as an issue anymore. I don't have a graphical systemD boot on my Arch but I installed Fedora Sericea and it actually boots faster than my Arch despite the plymouth (or whatever they call it nowadays).

My 2 questions:

  1. Is the current SystemD rant derived from years ago (while they've improved a lot)?
  2. Should Linux community rant about bigger problems such as Wayland related things not ready for current needs of normies?
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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's a massive question, and I think quite a lot of the argument comes from the fact that it depends what direction you're answering it from.

As a user, do I like being able to just systemctl enable --now whatever.service , and have a nice overview of 'how's my computer' in systemctl status ? Yes, that's a big step up from symlinking run levels and other nonsense, much easier.

As an administrator, do I like having services, mounts and timers all managed in one way? Yes, that is very nice - can do more with less, and have to spend less time hunting for where things are configured. Do I think that the configuration files for these are a fucking mess of 'just keep adding new features in' and the override system is lunacy? Also yes.

As a developer trying to do post-mortem debugging, who just wants all the logs in front of him for some server that's gone wrong somehow, which I often have to request via an insane daisy-chain of emails and 'Salesforce nonsense that our tech support use' from our often fairly non-technical end users, on some server that I've no other access to? No, I do not find having logs spread between /var/log and journalctl (and various CloudFormation logs in a web console) makes my life easier. I would be pleased if that got sorted out.

tl:dr; mostly an improvement, some caveats.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

As someone who recently started learning linux properly by setting up arch, systemd is nice. It does a lot of things that make life easier for me and it never gets in the way.

Edit: Please disregard, this should be a top level comment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

why did you ctrl c ctrl v your own comment?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because it was intended to be a top level comment and I only noticed that I wasn't commenting on top level after posting it.

Did the deletion of this one not get through to your instance yet?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

oh, lol, it's fine

Did the deletion of this one not get through to your instance yet?

probably

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Alright, I thought I was quick enough but deletion seems to work differently in the federation. I restored the comment and added an edit, that should avoid confusion once everything is synced properly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I didn't know that logging question is related to SystemD, so thanks for telling it! As an non-top class desktop user the same thing frustrates especially because the solution is often simpler and not found from those logs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

What do you see wrong with the config override system? I find it an improvement over having to diff between new and current config files, then having to figure out which part of which to keep.