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Calls for defederation - Is the idea of the open marketplace of ideas outdated? (self.controversial)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Hastur to c/controversial

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Lately I see a lot of calls do have specific instances defederated for a particular subset of reasons:

Don't like their content
Dont like their political leaning
Dont like their free speech approach
General feeling of being offended
I want a safe space!
This instance if hurting vulnerable people

I personally find each and every one of these arguments invalid. Everybody has the right to live in an echo chamber, but mandating it for everyone else is something that goes a bit too far.

Has humanity really developed into a situation where words and thoughts are more hurtful than sticks and stones?

Edit: Original context https://slrpnk.net/post/554148

Controversial topic, feel free to discuss!

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[–] dnick 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He can do the same, but he's not the one complaining about the furniture.

If you're in a bar that you don't like, it's true that you can leave, or the people listening to you complain about the bar can leave, but it's kind of obvious that you saying that is just your way of trying to make the bar annoying to everyone else so you can stay and make it a bar you like instead of going and finding a different one. That might be 'a' way to go about things, but it sure does take a persistently annoying person to make it happen. More likely you'll just get kicked out of the bar because the bartender would rather keep the paying customers that are having fun around, rather than then bitchy ones who just won't shut about about the decorations.

[–] pattmayne 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you're in a bar that you DO like, and the other patrons are discussing how to coordinate themselves, then obviously you would take part in that conversation.

And during that conversation, if a small subgroup constantly told you to "leave if you disagree," then you might kindly suggest that they do the same, which would definitely not get you kicked out of the bar.

[–] dnick 3 points 1 year ago

Very true, a civilized disagreement can certainly present that way. If that’s what I stumbled into I’d apologize for suggesting it was something else, maybe the level of discourse from related comment strings had me assuming the worse.