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Did you not listen? I started with saying that your evidence wasn't relevant to the matter at hand. This is about smartphones, not telco equipment.

Then I partially agreed with you on the uk case, and explained why your source on the german case was utter trash, and wrong.

There are no relevant facts for your original point on the ground, you didn't bring any and I showed why. You spent your time moving goalposts and bringing up new unrelated issues.

The current state of the discussion is:

• the uk may have been influenced by the us to be harsher on huawei than need be
• both germany and the uk had and have consensus on some suspicions against huawei
• the suspicions in the uk where present before and got amplified after us action
• those suspicions are multi-factored, some of which apply to us as individuals and some do not

Your original claim was:
Huawei is better than Google, fear of Huawei is solely cause by propaganda.

No arguments have been made yet, the discussion has gone nowhere because I was stuck refuting your side-projects.

If you wanna look at actual facts, see for example this comment I made to someone elses .
There I go into some issues with Huawei itself, and the relations of it to the chinese government, as well as indications that they are trying to hide those for image reasons. That is a fact-based source that the relations are real, that they are creating propaganda to hide that, and why they would do that. If you are looking for facts go look at that.

I do not refute that the US is propagandizing against Huawei, and that they are influencing other governments to follow their decisions against Huawei, and thus their media influence to be directed to defending that and propagandizing against Huawei too.
I agree that this is happening, and I highly dislike it.

Just because a side is using propaganda, doesn't mean they are wrong. Being careful we can filter out some facts, then filter those for what is relevant to us as consumers. And we end up with the result that Huawei smartphones are a privacy nightmare, basically any consumer tech with their software and internet access is, and should be avoided. Components and hardware by them is probably fine for now, so if are going to replace their software, or are gonna sandbox their devices, then to a consumer I see no reason not to buy from them (as opposed to governments, where there are valid reasons not to).

To summarize:

• you can (should) be against Huawei based on facts alone
• governments can ban Huawei for valid reasons
• your sources and reading comprehension suck