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Right so no evidence, just suspicion from the US was enough for them to harden their stance.
Your "rebuttals" doesn't change any facts on the ground.
Did you not listen? I started with saying that your evidence wasn't relevant to the matter at hand. This is about smartphones, not telco equipment.
Then I partially agreed with you on the uk case, and explained why your source on the german case was utter trash, and wrong.
There are no relevant facts for your original point on the ground, you didn't bring any and I showed why. You spent your time moving goalposts and bringing up new unrelated issues.
The current state of the discussion is:
Your original claim was:
Huawei is better than Google, fear of Huawei is solely cause by propaganda.
No arguments have been made yet, the discussion has gone nowhere because I was stuck refuting your side-projects.
If you wanna look at actual facts, see for example this comment I made to someone elses .
There I go into some issues with Huawei itself, and the relations of it to the chinese government, as well as indications that they are trying to hide those for image reasons. That is a fact-based source that the relations are real, that they are creating propaganda to hide that, and why they would do that. If you are looking for facts go look at that.
I do not refute that the US is propagandizing against Huawei, and that they are influencing other governments to follow their decisions against Huawei, and thus their media influence to be directed to defending that and propagandizing against Huawei too.
I agree that this is happening, and I highly dislike it.
Just because a side is using propaganda, doesn't mean they are wrong. Being careful we can filter out some facts, then filter those for what is relevant to us as consumers. And we end up with the result that Huawei smartphones are a privacy nightmare, basically any consumer tech with their software and internet access is, and should be avoided. Components and hardware by them is probably fine for now, so if are going to replace their software, or are gonna sandbox their devices, then to a consumer I see no reason not to buy from them (as opposed to governments, where there are valid reasons not to).
To summarize:
That's because the accusations and bans were on telco equipment. Hell, you can still buy Huawei phones on Amazon if you wanted to in the states. You don't seem to understand what all the propaganda hub bub was about to begin with.
*Edit:
I think you're completely misunderstanding my position. My position is Huawei is considered worse than google because of US propaganda. Not that Huawei is better than google. And that propaganda is not substantiated.
I'm not sure that Huawei is considered worse because of US propaganda for everyone, or even most, but I can accept some.
I know a few people that certainly had their issues with them before I ever saw them even mentioned in the general media or online, before the propaganda we se now started.
In any case, if you say "that propaganda is not substantiated", then can you please elaborate what specific claims where made and are wrong? Because as propaganda does they use everything negative about something and then make up some more, so if it's all unsubstantiated wouldn't that mean Huawei is absolute good and has never done anything even slightly bad?
My claims are that:
Some of my reasons for believing this are in this comment I linked above.
Outline your claims, or refute evidence for mine, or add evidence against mine
I don't think we have differing opinions actually. I'm saying there have been many countries that have stated they do not see the stuff USA talks about to make it reasonable to ban. They all shut up and followed the US after 2020 and individuals even started to say Huawei is more evil than American companies. Again without any particular evidence.
Would I argue that Google and Huawei do similar and equally bad things, yes absolutely. I'm just tired of people attacking Huawei and saying they're worse than American corps. That's all I'm trying to say here.