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[–] [email protected] 50 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

I don't remember the name of the effect, but it seems to happen a lot of times when newer technologies makes things consume less. People end up consuming more, either by increase of size, duration of use of using more of the thing.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yes! It's called Jevons paradox

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Wow it is like induced demand but for resources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

This isn't an example of that though, its just a result of deliberately terrible emissions regulation brought on by lobbying.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Yep, providing exemptions for vehicles under the weight threshold where a commercial driver's license is required is dumb.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Could you elaborate? Edit: I see, other people mentioned in the thread about the lobbies and efforts to mask emissions.

[–] Patches 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I can confirm. In 2023 despite having LED lightbulbs - we consume 7 more watts per hour per lightbulb than the average lightbulb did in 1546.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The lights back then probably weren't very bright were they?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But they used very little electricity, almost none

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They also did jack shit for illumination, so...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The average light bulbs in 1546 definitely did jack shit that's for sure.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah considering they didn't discover electricity until the 1700s then they didn't even invent one that lasted long enough to be practical until 1879.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That's the joke isn't it? Just for historical context Michaelangelo completed the Last Judgement on the Sistine chapel in 1541, so like 5 years before 1546, and I don't think he had flashlights to help him with the lighting.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Vacuum cleaners are the classic example, IMO.

When introduced, they were supposed to make cleaning rugs take less time, freeing time and effort for other activities, but instead housewives just cleaned their rugs more often.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Would means rugs are quite a bit cleaner now, so I would say the vacuum did its job.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Induced demand. If the option is there people will use it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

led comes to mind here with this explanation. extremely more efficient then most other light sources. but because it is so efficient we see led being used everywhere. and almost never turned of because people say it barely uses any power. also the operating time is so high that companies purposely put components behind the led that break so they can sell more. (similar what they did to the old light bulb)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

also the operating time is so high that companies purposely put components behind the led that break so they can sell more.

Could you elaborate with more detail, or share some links for articles that describe that?