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[-] [email protected] 188 points 8 months ago

They missed the part where he has a history of mental health issues and had heard voices telling him to kill people. He should have lost access to his guns.

[-] [email protected] 83 points 8 months ago

Which is something gun control typically aims at

[-] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago

It's something current federal law does and has done for decades. A person who is involuntarily committed to undergo inpatient treatment at a mental health facility by a court of law is classified as a "prohibited person" and cannot own or have access to firearms.

Source link: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/are-there-persons-who-cannot-legally-receive-or-possess-firearms-andor-ammunition

The catch is that a person cannot be deprived of any right without due process - typically a literal day in court. Therefore an individual with mental health problems that have not caused enough trouble to land them in front of a judge can't be declared a prohibited person.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Due process does not always require a hearing before court action. There are emergency injunctions, ex parte protective orders, temporary restraining orders, certain classes of summary process. When a guy owns assault weapons and is hearing voices, due process can wait a couple weeks.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

I believe you missed my use of the word "typically".

[-] skulkingaround 16 points 8 months ago

Sorry bud, best I can do is ban suppressors and shotgun pistol grips. At least they won't be able to shoot you ergonomically.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Ouch my ligaments.

No more murderin' for meeee

[-] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago

It's also the type of legislation thats been applied and immediately abused. So the reason most states don't have it is that the gov can't be trusted to have discretion of basic human rights.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Nope, get fucked. You don't get to insist that actual people get murdered month after month just because you're capable of imagining legislation being misused.

Even disregarding how deeply fucked in the head it is to be more upset at the idea of a gun owner losing their guns than innocent people losing their lives, you could address that misuse through voting, protest or incremental reforms.

A gun owner losing access to their guns is not a tragedy even remotely comparable to a room full of children mutilated beyond recognition by a legal gun owner and "being able to murder anyone at any time with minimal effort" is not a "basic human right".

[-] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

You don't get to insist that actual people get murdered

So your strategy is to just blatantly lie about what's happening. I don't think so. Bye.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

People are being murdered because the gun laws are hopelessly inadequate yet you staunchly oppose changes to them on the grounds that hypothetical people could hypothetically use them to take guns away from a hypothetical innocent person that was no danger.

Seems pretty clear to me.

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