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This is actually very close (just tested and confirmed it). I somehow stand corrected about requiring manual enablement but this is just using the package manager to do the dirty work for you.
However the program itself cannot write into those directories without root permissions. You still have to allow your package manager to do this with root permissions as mentioned.
Installing as user does not require root, to be clear. You can use systemd without root by specifying user.
Installing a package requires root which will automatically give the package manager permission to write anywhere on the system. To create a systemd service in user that will automatically start at boot requires root, someguy here commented with the how.
However you can run any installed binary via Desktop files as a user (no root) on login by writing to
~/.config/autostart.My comment wasn't about installing the package. You seemed to think that systemd required root, which it does not. Further, you can have systemd user processes start at boot. I do this exact thing with Duplicacy, no root required.
The entire premise is for a package/manager to create a running/permanent service that will be started after boot AND does not require user intervention (for the avoidance of doubt, enabling the systemd service counts as intervention).
One way to do this is to create the service file and do the symlink to a folder that systemd automatically runs on boot. For both user and system systemd files you require root to make these modifications.
Another way is to create a Desktop file in the path I shared.
If you have more ways I'd be happy to hear them.
Again, it's not true, so you don't need to keep acting like it's the case. You do not need root to create systemd entries for a single user. Systemd is pretty much just symlinks all the way down. You can test this yourself, so I don't know why you're saying it's not possible when me and many others in this thread have told you that you were incorrect in the first place.
I was correct you need root to create systemd-wide systemd service that will run on boot , user systemd files can't. What they can do, is run after login. Which has more or less the same effect for a single-user setup. And I did admit I was partially wrong.
This was never about runlevel 0 or 1 programs. This was always about whether or not a user can use systemd without root. Why would Brave need to start a VPN service at an init runlevel (before most networking services)? It would make more sense to start at login.
You entirely misunderstood my argument(s). The title says "Brave appears to install VPN Services without user consent". My comment was an exploration of this using Linux's tools (systemctl). But nevertheless, creating a VPN network requires elevated permissions.
Then why did you say "you don't know what you're talking about" and are just now bringing up systemctl? Moving goalposts maybe?