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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you for your answer! My points are a result of my thoughts without looking anything up. You are much more thorough.

So EVs are loud, but ICEs are louder. The production of EVs is dirty, but producing and running ICEs is dirtier. Running ICEs now could damage the nature, because a lot of power is still produced with coal, but the future will fix it.

EVs are better than ICEs. But saying that EVs are a step in the right direction feels very wrong. We have one big problem - 'car infrastructure'. And giving the avarage Joe/Jane the idea, that they can better the world by using EVs is a waste of time and energy that could be used to go in a much better direction: public transport, bikes, well planned cities. I don't think Joe wants to sell his new EV, even if he had alternatives, and he will continue to vote for more roads and parking spaces.

But compromises are important: I would recommend everyone, who HAS to use a car with no alternatives and whose car is not up to good environment standards anymore, to buy an EV instead of an ICE.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

in a perfect world cars would disappear all together I agree. But for the short term we need to not let perfect be the enemy of good. People aren't giving up their cars anytime soon, but maybe we can shepherd them into a slightly less shitty version for the time being. Plus having EVs and more solar on roofs will speed up our ability to reduce our coal addiction, which right now is the biggest threat to humanity.

Hopefully we'll see the transition largely away from cars in time with better public infrastructure. it's a complex problem.